A while a ago there was discussion about the community stalling and the state of the documentation. As far as I can remember and see, there wasn't really any agreements or solutions what to do -- so I raise the question again -- and propably aim it to the people at Zope corp., what we -- noble users -- could do to help your work on documentation? I am no frigging genius, but after banging my head enough to the wall I learned to turn into the source code and find answers from there. As it brings some enligthment from time to time, I - personally - would like to help others to find the answers more easily, and possibly let them solve some other problem and that way help me, while I'm propably facing that problem in the future. We have a great community -- that is unfortunately in very many pieces around the world. Nice thing is the diversity, but in some cases the effiency suffers. Should one turn into ZDP, Zope zen, zope newbies, zopelabs or search through the mailinglists? Huh? Joel Burton asked wether there would be people interested to help in these efforts, or more precise to be leaders in such cases. I emailed him that I would like to help, but at this stage could not be a leader of any kind. Now I am asking, is there -- in the wide open world -- a person or persons, who would like to help the community get back on the knowledge building-track? What I am suggesting is that together we create a certain set of methods of work, that we all will follow and help others to follow. These will include some etiquette on the mailinglists, howto's and what to do with the information -- for example where to store good code snipplets etc. I know it sounds hard and would require work with many people, especially the great persons who now maintain great sites at zope.org -- but also zopezen.oeg, zopelabs.com, zopenewbies etc. We have so much what we could - for example tell stories and write case scenarios about how we have used Zope and how we have planned to use it in future. There is whole lot of tacit knowledge stored into many of the seasoned Zope-developers and the challenge for the whole community is to get that knowledge into usable form. While Dieter's and others replies on the mailing lists are excellent, I believe that we could achieve more. For example by writing summaries of our problems and solutions, and storing them in some good format with good metadata so that the searches will find them better than now. But where and how? This is where we - as a community - would need to make decisions and stick by them. Possibly it would require that some persons would work as a coordinators, and many others -- just like myself -- would assist them by creating content and moving information from one place to another. But coordination is the key, wether you like it or not. It only requires some time and commitment -- which for most of us equals money. But count the numbers and tell me honestly, would you have any less -- or way much more, if our community for some parts would work like a well oiled machine. Atleast for me, Zope has been a great source of inspiration -- and honestly changed the way I see development... And I would be honoured to give something really valuable back. That was my 0.5 euros from Finland ,-) -huima