Hi, Can someone clarify the good and bad with having an object property which changes often. i.e. Say a property used as a counter to record votes in a poll, or calls on an object to be displayed. I understand the bad part of a frequently changing property is it bloats the Zope data.fs (I assume this is caused by keeping a record for the Zope undo feature?). Are the only solutions to this issue: 1. Automate and pack the database daily (Is there reliability issues with this with corruptions more likely etc? ) Is this a common solution Zopists use? If so, what regular interval is the norm for packing? 2. Store any regularly changing value such as a counter in an external db like mysql (Which isn't very practical if you are talking lots of objects doing the same thing) Thanks for any info you can provide to clarify what I should be doing. Thanks Richard Ettema