Forking the mailing list may make sense, except for the idea of a "NEWBIES" list. In any community, the ignorant learn by listening to the more experienced. I suggest that the real problem is not that this mailing list covers too many topics, but that we need a better way to preserve, organize and retrieve the questions and the better answers. In parallel to forking the list, I propose that we, as a community, with DC's guidance, determine the best way to capture the value of the mailing list -- a repository of problems faced by members, coupled with solutions from other members. My proposal is that DC builds or blesses a detailed topic map re. knowledge of Zope (Installation, RDMS, DTML, Security, the various products, etc.) on Zope.org, and invites members to contribute to filling in the topic map with questions, answers, example code, etc. A FAQ + a topic map. ZDP started this process, but this tool needs to be the first thing one thinks of before they ask the list a question. I would love to buy a book that extracted the best questions and answers/examples found on this list in the last two years, weeded out the fluff, and organized the rest. Brian