I know lots of you use <dtml-in> to iterate over stuff. So I assume it works. But I am absolutely bewildered. I cannot get the simplest example of this function to work. Here's my really difficult test, stored in a DTML document (opening angle brackets omitted): dtml-var standard_html_header> dtml-in objectValues> title: <dtml-var title_or_id><br> /dtml-in dtml-var standard_html_footer> Call me goofy but I sort of expect this to produce a list of the titles or IDs of all the objects in the folder in which the DTML Document is stored. It never produces any output whatsoever. I put in a dtml-else that prints a heading "Nothing Found" and that always prints. This is frustrating because as far as I can tell, I am following examples in all three of the Zope books I own to the letter, yet I cannot produce any output at all. Nothing. Nada. Zip. I actually *need* to be able to iterate over all the DTML Methods and DTML Documents in this folder, check a property's value, and based on that value include or exclude the documents and their URLs from a table or list. As you can see, for reasons I just don't understand, I'm very far from that goal. I've searched PQR, I've searched the online tips and HowTos. What in the world could I be doing wrong here? I *have* placed this document in a folder which contains other objects: DTML documents and methods, Python scripts, and other folders. I have also tried substituting objectItems for objectValues. No joy. I've tried enclosing objectValues and objectItems in quotation marks and calling them as expressions. I've tried making the argument to objectValues and objectItems a one-item list with a string value. I am now officially lost and desperate.