On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Behrens Matt - Grand Rapids wrote:
akm's suggestion is a good one, although whether or not it will have the desired effect is a big question mark. To do so I think it needs to avoid the stigma it seems to already have: "zope@ is for mindless newbies, zope-hackers@ is for people who can tie their shoes, zope-dev@ is for Gods". I'm not sure how to accomplish this. It's really about being in different levels of development, not about "list A has smarter people than list B".
I am going to risk having to don my asbestos suit here and say that closing ALL the lists would be extremely helpful, and it's not even about spam. Requiring at least a few seconds of lurking before posting is a great idea. If you want hand-holding and don't want to take a brief effort to see what the list is about, then you can pay someone for support. Okay, I said it, flame away.
One nitpick re naming: -hackers is historically used for what zope-dev currently is being used for. If there is going to be any change along these lines, perhaps a gradual rename of -dev to -hackers is in order, paralleled with a new list -devel or some such.
Ok, so the big questions are: (1) hwo do we want to, as a community, responsible make a decision about this? do you want to have a simple vote for "Yes, create a new -hackers list" or "No, don't" ? will the fine folks at ZopeCorp set up a new list for us if this vote is affirmative? (2) it would seem that many people would love an NNTP feed for zope's ml; few arguments are made for why that would be a bad thing as long as the email format is kept. who can set this up for us? volunteers? -- Joel BURTON | joel@joelburton.com | joelburton.com | aim: wjoelburton Independent Knowledge Management Consultant