To me it depends on how much time ZClasses are going to last. If ZClasses will stay for the next two years, then it's fine for us, as we probably will persuade ourselves to rewrite all of our stuff in ZopeX3, and not in Zope2.X Jim, bear in mind that people that will agree to its deprecation is people that in one way or another aren't using them or stopped using them, for whatever valid reason they had ever found. Ask to the people who actually doesn't have any problem with them. Take this as an example: http://www.zope.org/Members/sums/News_Item.2004-10-20.2121 As of us, we are happily using them for a large project on dynamic packaging for travel operators and travel agencies, a complex application featuring dynamic pricing and the content management of rich-media personalized itineraries. I chose ZClasses as it offered us a mean of working interactively with our partner, without the constraints of having to have a detailed road map to start with.( Dynamic pakaging in the travel industry is still a moving target ). ZClasses offered us a way to put test features up and running quickly, just to find out they would make any sense or not. Whether there already is a tool like that in ZopeLand, I would agree to its deprecation, but actually there's nothing like it. Certainly ZClasses is not what it promised to be, but what it does do, it does it brilliantly, IMNSHO. Ausum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake" <jake@zopezone.com> To: <jim@zope.com> Cc: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
My vote is to keep them around for 2.8 and 2.9 but say goodbye after that.
Again.. it won't be easy for us, but who said progress ever was.
Jake -- http://www.ZopeZone.com
Jim Fulton said:
Jake wrote:
As someone who has at least 5 different products using ZClasses across 10 different websites with millions of hits a month, I am certainly not happy to see them go, but I do understand that their time has come.
If they are supported in 2.8 -> 2.9 and gone in 3.0 I guess that is ok.
If we deprecated them now, they would be gone in 2.10 (not to be confused with 3.0) too.
Again, it is going to take me and others a lot of work to migrate out our data from those products into other vehicles but such is progress.
A decision hasn't been made. People who don't use them feel strongly that they should go. I'm trying to get a sense of how widely they are used. I'm trying to understand if people who use ZClasses are a silent majority, minority, or small minority.
Jim
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