On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 11:55, Skip Montanaro wrote:
The version of Python 2.1 which ships with the Plone MacOSX installer doesn't have a readline module with it, and doesn't seem to have shipped with complete sources, so it seemed like six of one half a dozeon of the other to me. I've just built a readline.so using a source version of 2.1.3.
Ah ok.
That seems to work. I don't understand how your scheme works to talk to a running Zope instance though. I don't have ZEO and by the time I can figure out how to install and use it, I suspect I will have fumbled around enough with the monitor client to figure out what I need.
The monitor client is pretty crippled (I suspect you'll see this once you start really using it) because of its traceback output and whatnot (truncated tracebacks, from what I remember). To avoid this, I recommend "importing Zope" in an interactive Python session instead. "cd lib/python; python; import Zope; app = Zope.app()". The only problem with this is that Zope cannot be running at the time you do this unless you're running ZEO. If you really want to inspect a running Zope, I have to recommend spending the time to install ZEO. It's really very easy to install if you follow the instructions in the tarball within http://www.zope.org/Products/ZEO/ZEO-2.0.tar.gz/view .
>> Is there some way I can make dir() and type() available to scripts >> for development purposes and make sys importable once again?
Chris> Not without hacking source,
That seems a helluva a lot easier than some of the other hoops I'm having to jump through.
Hope it works out.
From where I sit it seems Zope needs some serious work on its debugging capabilities. At a minimum, giving people the option of starting up Zope with a flag that returns control of their Python interpreter to them would be a good first step.
This is the "cd lib/python; python; import Zope; app = Zope.app()" trick that I mention above and I've sent in other emails. Upcoming versions of Zope will likely ship with a utility to make this less obscure by providing a frontend controller application to Zope named "zctl" that you can run to do this by doing "./zctl debug". This feature is currently in-place in a branch of Zope I'm doing work on (chrism-install-branch). - C