A few random thoughts... Potentially, Zope has a lot to offer for building fat-client frameworks, but not a lot of support for a fat client MI. Personally, I think Zope as a front-end to ZODB has good potential in a data-center environment serving GUI clients in the web-services future, and that with this in mind, development frameworks ought to exist to make this as easy as possible to jump into (one can hope; perhaps someday when I get some time, I will try to implement something like this). I think part of the problem is that Zope really ends up being a toolkit for most folks - and one used in a variety of different ways - and a GUI toolkit would place restrictions on this and require a lot of work to address working with each and every Zope product. I think the solution for GUIs is really a responsibility/option for the application layer (i.e. Each Zope product), though there could be a set of tools created for generic Zope tasks for developers (only as an IDE); I think Boa Constructor is the most likely candidate for that. If you want higher-level stuff, you really need to code a custom GUI fro your product, or look into using the CMF with document editing software that supports FTP and/or WebDAV; what is most needed in this regard is not a one-size-fits all client, but a bunch of documentation and examples to make it easier to do this on your own. Developing custom GUI applications with Zope using Boa Constructor, wxPython, and XML-RPC could have very interesting possibilities, and perhaps what is needed is drag-and-drop components for doing this in Boa-Constructor that allow data-binding to XML-RPC calls, like the way Borland RAD tools bind RDB datasets to visual components... Python 2.2 will include XML-RPC support (but you would have to extend it with http basic-auth support), so Python 2.2 packaged together with wxPython for Windows in a unified installer would be a nice start for deploying an application using that as a framework; as for me, I just apt-get install, but it would be nice to be able to build GUI apps that could be deployed by having an installation program spawned to install all the prerequisites. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Frederic Faure [mailto:ffaure@bigfoot.com] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 1:00 PM To: zope@zope.org Subject: [Zope] Stand-alone dedicated client for Windows? Hello, I browsed through the archives of this list, but it didn't return any hits. I understand two projects are under way called Zope Fat Client and gnope (GNOME Zope client), and I tried Amos Latteier's example Python client last night, which doesn't work: "TypeError: wxWindow_GetParent() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)"). Besides, it'd be hell deploying Python + wxPython + a Python-based Zope client. After going through tutorials of Frontier/Radio and The Zope Book, it looks like Zope is the open-source alternative to Frontier. Problem is, I think non-techies would work with a Zope-based intranet a lot more if there were a dedicated client for Windows instead of having to use HTML forms. Is there such a thing available? Also, what are alternative DBMS-based content managements systems that I should know about? Thx FF. _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )