I know this is a moot issue: "... since developing database adapters doesn't contribute to our revenue, we won't spend time on it." But currently the database adapters have problems. I have tried SybaseDAv2 and ZODBC. A few problems have been reported to the Collector with patches. But no actions taken on the part of Digicool, for a long time. This reminds me of Java's Bug Parade... which was rather frustrating... you reported a bug, crossed your fingers, and hopefully in 4 or 5 months it would get fixed... this after your commercial project already got killed. Yes, you fixed the bug, but I am no longer using Java. :) Is there another way of loosening the tight control of release of products? If Digicool does not have the man-power for taking care of release of some component, why not figure out a way for others to jump in and do the fixes? Why repeat the mistakes and shortcomings of the Java Bug Parade system? Is there a way somehow of linking in the product pages to some sort of user feedback? It will be more honest to let new users become aware of the problems of the current products and where they can find the patches. Currently, a new user happily download a product with the false hope that it will work properly. If there is some sort of user-comment (like Amazon's book review), then the user would know what problems there are with the current release of the product, and whether there are patches already made by someone. A publicly visible user feedback would also probably accelerate the fixes of products, be they made by Digicool or any outside people. I guess a message bulletin board linked to each individual product gives much better help than letting new users wade through tons of mailing list messages. (Product owners can remove nasty or unappropriate feedback messages, if necessary.) On one hand Zope advertises that it has database adapters to most databases, on the other hand we know that these adapters have problems that sit unfixed. Database is critical in most commercial applications, and frankly Digicool is risking a bit when mouthwords come out about the quality of the database adapters and the lack of support. regards, Hung Jung ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com