hi there, on the survey on digicool i added some ideas to make the first step into zope easier. i'd like to hear your ideas about that and if any of that is already acomplished somewhere. * a roundtrip visual-RAD-database form/reports environment (visual to source and back) (better than MS-Access and probably with import of forms/reports form theKompany-REKALL and MS Access or other forms/reports designers :-) * out of the box multi language and database support * a closed zope installation option. means zope does not use local python or so. i had heaps of trouble with different versions of python, python-database modules and db-connector products (i rather have two pythons on disc than troubles with zope after updating my suse distro) still not solved after 3 months :-(. actually this stopped development of a product on zope. * faster implementation of patches (there is one problem with dtml-in orphans trouble that got a patch about 6 months ago and is still not solved in new zope versions) * a setup process, where the newbee-user can select what products should be pre installed. (e.g. according to usage questions like news-discussion -> squishdot, db-mysql -> MySQLdb+formulator db-pgsql -> PgSQLdb+ZDatabaseTool+QueryWizard(hopefully to be released by easyleading), Content-management -> CMF, XML, Templates -> ZPT, PIM -> iuveno-projector+others, eks -> KDESoHoServer-Components, multi-language-mysql -> MySQLdb+ZBabel, documentation -> local-zope-book, faq -> local-faq) -- this would show the capabilities of zope right away to the newbee. i remember how it took me weeks to figure out what zope can do. -- this also would move some zope companies into focus to the newbee that might want to spend money and outsource development. -- zope would grow into a plug-and-play-intranet/internet problem solver application hope for opinions olaf -- soli-con Engineering Zanger Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Olaf Marc Zanger Lorrainestrasse 23 3013 Bern / Switzerland Fon: +41-31-332 9782 Mob: +41-76-572 9782 mailto:info@soli-con.com mailto:olaf.zanger@soli-con.com http://www.soli-con.com