Can I jump in? What is the process involved for pcgi or Zope to pass authentication? I am not running Apache, but good old dependable Website Pro. When I attempt to run Zope via pcgi it works fine unless I want to manage or allow a client to log into a products administration screens. I am returned an error when trying to access, for example, Squishdot admin or Zope manage. On the other hand users can log into and use the portal product. Zope is not accepting the management login info. My understanding is not clear on what Apache does to accept log ins via pcgi. For that matter the same for IIS. I am not sure that IIS is really only accepting NTusers. The reading I have done so far suggests this may be the case. Zope & Apache are HTTP1.1 compliant? Website is 1.0 or partially 1.1....... can this be part of the problem? I run into some problems with requests and compliancy when using newer utilities against the server. The conversation below suggests that pcgi passes requests to Zope. I am confused about this because I am told this is a Website issue, but when explained in it's simplest terms (below) it appears to be a pcgi or Zope issue. The error I am receiving says that the webserver may not be able to forward cgi requests (? it's been awhile since I looked at it) This doesn't make sense if pcgi is passing the info on. I guess I am asking "Where exactly is authentication breaking down when using pcgi....or where is it most likely to break down? Website has only 15 percent of the NT market share (it's the price tag I'm sure) and it is hard to find someone to share these experiences with, so thanks for allowing this intrusion.. _______________ PCGI passes on requests to Zope, where Zope can handle multiple requests at the same time. Basically, requests are handed over to ZServer ass if the request came in directly. PCGI takes some care of waiting for ZServer to become available if it is congested. So, there is one Zope instance running that can listen to normal HTTP requests, FTP requests and PCGI requests (any combination of that). The PCGI CGI's are fielded on requests coming though Apache and hand back the results to the client.
And what about the method of "masquerading" the ZServer through Apache? I have read solutions using the Rewrite module and the Proxy module, but it actually means (roughly speaking) that if there are 10 requests made to Apache then it will make 10 requests to ZServer so, considering only the reliability issue of the server even if Apache can handle millions of requests per second, the ZServer would fall down much faster than that so I cannot see any advantage of using Apache in front of it. Of course I understand the other advantages of Apache as it´s many configuration options, robustness as a web server, etc, but can the ZServer stay up and running in pair with Apache? Maybe there´s any way to configure Apache to cache the pages -- as a Squid would -- so it can "filter" the requests and low the requests level that it will do to ZServer?
People generally use Apache for combining Zope with other content. Zope is good at serving dynamic content, Apache at static, so if you serve Zope behind Apache, you can mix and match. Also, when you have existing CGI, PHP or other Apache dependant content that you want to make available from the same base URL, you will need to use Apache in front of Zope. You can, IIRC, use tge ProxyPass trick together with caching as well,but I have no experience with that. There is one big disadvantage to using ProxyPass at the moment, which is that you need to use the SiteAccess product to make it work correctly. The SiteAccess product has some known issues and causes regressions in parts of Zope, like the ZCatalog. These issues _shold_ be solved with the upcoming 2.2 release of Zope.
And what about it´s object oriented database? I also have some doubts about it. I worked a lot with relational databases as MS SQL and MySQL but never tried to study an OO approach to DB. How fast it is? How much requests can it handle without hanging, collapsing or corrupting data? I mean, anyone tried to do some study of a database that changes everytime and have queries everytime, I mean, searches in a database where it´s data changes constantly (searching a static database is much different than searching on a mutable one). Row level locking, transaction, consistency, etc, all these concepts apply here? Can it be substituted by a traditional relational database and have it´s contentes interfaced to "looks like" object oriented?
The ZODB, Zope's Object Database, is an integral part of Zope. As soon as you look at Zope through the management interface, you are looking at objects stored in the ZODB. Zope is inherently OO, and you generally use object instances to build your site. The ZODB is transactional, is optimized for high reads, low writes, and takes care of access conflicts not by locking, but invalidating all connections that use an object that has been altered by another connection. Zope reacts to this by retrying the requests whose connection was invalidated. Because everything is transactional, this works great. There is detailed documentation on ZODB available at: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Developer/Models/ZODB/ The default Storage component is FileStorage, which provides Undo and support for Versions, and which stores all data in one file (easy backup). Other Storage components are available, like one that stores data in Berkeley DB (but doesn't support Undo and Versions, IIRC), a DemoStorage which layers over another Storage and keeps all changes in memory, it doesn't ever write them, and soon ZEO will be available, a Storage that enables you to share a Storage on a Storage server, effectively providing scalability, availability and distribution: http://www.zope.org/Products/ZEO/ZEOFactSheet With SQL Methods and Database Adapters you can of course still integrate legacy data from SQL RDBMs into your app. Object storing a la WebObjects isn't supported out of the box, but could be built on top of the Zope framework. -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@digicool.com | Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ | The Open Source Web Application Server --------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )