On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Martijn Pieters wrote: :At 03:50 23/09/99 , Dody Gunawinata wrote: :>I think "DOCUMENTATION" is more than anything else, the greatest barrier :>to people using Zope. :>Probably Zope is too powerful for its own good. You've got this tons of :>features that you can exploit, :>so much of good thing, but there is currently no document that actually :>guides a beginner gently and hides :>the more advance features from them. :> :>For example, about storing data. In Cold Fusion/ASP/Perl, there aren't :>many ways to store a data, flat file or a database. That's easy :>to explain to a beginner..Do it this way, only. Limited but simple. With :>Zope, you got Persistent database, SQL database, and tons of cool tricks :>to do with them. I see one beginner example (can't remember the article) :>where it guides the user to create a WebBoard using Python/Persistent. A :>beginner would simply lost. A ZSQL method would be a lot simpler, as SQL :>is easier to understand. :> :>Much of the documentation is designed with *advance* developers in mind. :>It's time for Zope for Dummies. :> :>Dody : :What many people forget here is that Zope is a Web Application Platform. It :is, first and foremost, designed as a framework for applications. i think it also is targeted at content managers? if so, then you not only have designers using zope, but also all kinds of content providers, editors & the like. and, to be honest: there ARE friendlier ways to edit content than the <textarea> (i want a <textarea-using-emacs>;)) btw. macromedias dreamweaver states some xml support, havent checked it out though. peter. :Zope was designed for Web Application Developers, not designers. The :documentation follows this design. I actually feel that dummies should stay :away from Zope. Frontpage is for dummies. : :As far as DTML editing goes: DTML was designed to put a face on the :application, not so much as to be used on its own. DTML is very powerful :for this, but its features also make it unsuitable for WISYWIG editing. : :-- :Martijn Pieters, Web Developer :| Antraciet http://www.antraciet.nl :| Tel: +31-35-7502100 Fax: +31-35-7502111 :| mailto:mj@antraciet.nl http://www.antraciet.nl/~mj :| PGP: http://wwwkeys.nl.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xA8A32149 :------------------------------------------ : :_______________________________________________ :Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org :http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope : :(To receive general Zope announcements, see: :http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce : :For developer-specific issues, zope-dev@zope.org - :http://www.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) : -- _________________________________________________ peter sabaini, mailto: sabaini@niil.at -------------------------------------------------