Oh, I have created a new user with Manager role access, and even when I login as that user, I can't seem to get rid of this quick-start page, and get to see the tabbed root folder that appears in all the zope docs. I notice that http://host:8080/manage_workspace gets redirected to http://host:8080/manage.. I guess there's no way to look into the dtml/or code structure of zope except thru the mgmt. interface? (i.e. without that it would appear that I'm just stuck -- since there's quite obviously a bug in the default install that just keeps looping back to the quick start guide no matter what I try). The log file doesn't seem to indicate anything unusual (like errors etc.). Is this thing just broken? ps. is there any documentation on where the content is generated from? (I couldn't find where the quick start page is coming from, for example).