OK, OK, there are *many* ways of shooting yourself in the foot with Zope, but I want to enter this as one of the most concise ways. Elaboration welcome. In order to get more debugging info about the environment I'm working in, I included '<dtml-var REQUEST>' in my 'standard_html_footer'. This worked so nicely, I added '<dtml-var RESPONSE>' too, arguing that the REQUEST is probably only half the story. However, adding '<dtml-var RESPONSE>' turned out to be pretty stupid, since it caused some kind of recursion (the response contains the response?) which had Zope taking up 99% of CPU and rendering *nothing*. At least, I *think* this is what happened. Enlightenment even more welcome. -- Jean Jordaan -- technical writer -- Mosaic Sofware -- Zope 2.1.6 on WinNT and W2K