Yes, I know that this is an "unsupported, don't ask us questions about it" product. so you offical types at Digital Creations ignore this message. I'm talking to the other users out there who've been playing with this as well, and have more python/Zope experience than I do. In particular, I like the ability to validate against my db. However, I'm wondering if there's some clever method of overriding the SQL methods used by UserDb, short of 'cut&paste' code reuse to make myUserDb. See, I've already got tables & fields with usernames and passwords, but I need different queries to access them. Ideally, I'd like to overide a particular _instances_ methods - so, for example, I can have users in different Teams, and return only the users that exist in a particular team. Any bright ideas out there? Is this another something obvious that I failed to grasp, any you're all now laughing at me? Ross -- Ross J. Reedstrom, Ph.D., <reedstrm@rice.edu> NSBRI Research Scientist/Programmer Computer and Information Technology Institute Rice University, 6100 S. Main St., Houston, TX 77005