Hi Bill, I treid to install LoginManager 0.8.8.b1 too. But i got this error: 2000-12-20T10:49:53 ERROR(200) Zope Couldn't import Products.LoginManager Traceback (innermost last): File /server/opt/Zope-2.2.4/lib/python/OFS/Application.py, line 397, in import_products (Object: string) File /server/opt/Zope-2.2.4/lib/python/Products/LoginManager/__init__.py, line 1, in ? File /server/opt/Zope-2.2.4/lib/python/Products/LoginManager/LoginManager.py, line 8, in ? File /server/opt/Zope-2.2.4/lib/python/Products/ZPatterns/__init__.py, line 1, in ? File /server/opt/Zope-2.2.4/lib/python/Products/ZPatterns/Rack.py, line 9, in ? File /server/opt/Zope-2.2.4/lib/python/Products/ZPatterns/DataSkins.py, line 1, in ? ImportError: No module named DynPersist does the LoginManager dependent from other product of zope? Do you know which product of zope contians "DynPersist"? bye Shahram