I've been using LoginManager for a while with no problem, in a folder. So any access to that folder and subfolders requires a login. Now I'm trying to duplicate exactly that functionality in another folder, and it is just not working. So if my hierarchy is like this: folder X folder Y acl_users I can copy folder Y, and the acl_users doesn't work, but I can copy folder X and it does! Anyway, pretty much anything I tried here just did not work (I just wanted it to work exactly the same as the one I was copying) So plan B: start all over. Using HowTo http://www.zope.org/Members/jok/SQL_based_LoginManager I create a document "test" viewable only to my "TestRole", and it does not acquire any permissions. When I try to view that page, as expected, I get bumped over to the "loginForm". The problem: the loginForm just gives a traceback. Why do I just see this traceback instead of the form? Did I miss some step in the How-To? <!-- Traceback (innermost last): File /usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 222, in publish_module File /usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook (Object: Traversable) File /usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 162, in publish File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/Products/Hotfix_2000-10-02/__init__.py, line 327, in traverse File /var/zope/Products/LoginManager/LoginManager.py, line 147, in lm_unauth (Object: Transactional) File /usr/share/zope/lib/python/OFS/DTMLDocument.py, line 177, in __call__ (Object: loginForm) File /usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 528, in __call__ (Object: loginForm) File /usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/DocumentTemplate/DT_Raise.py, line 128, in render (Object: 'LoginRequired') LoginRequired: (see above) --> Thanks for all the help so far. Regards, JJ