Fine by me. Hmmm. I wonder if putting the Zope Book in a /Documentation folder isn't a bad idea. IIRC, both Apache and IIS ship with a Manual in the install. Troy -----Original Message----- From: Chris McDonough [mailto:chrism@digicool.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 3:06 PM To: Michel Pelletier; Donald Braman Cc: zope@zope.org; luke@seeto.com Subject: Re: [Zope] Quickstart needs updating! Actually, it's displayed by the root index_html as well. I'll ax the old quickstart stuff unless anybody thinks differently. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Pelletier" <michel@digicool.com> To: "Donald Braman" <donald.braman@yale.edu> Cc: <zope@zope.org>; <luke@seeto.com> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] Quickstart needs updating!
There is a new "Zope Quick Start" menu selection in Zope 2.3. I'm not sure why the old quickstart is still around, it should be axed in favor of this new screen.
The Zope Quick Start menu selection is, I think, exactly what you're looking for. Log into Zope.org into your member area and check it out, you can find it in the very top frame as a pulldown menu selection.
-Michel
On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Donald Braman wrote:
It's true that there is not a clear message as to where a newbie should start to learn Zope. The Zope home page has a "Learn Zope" section. When
you
click on More..., though, you don't find a tutorial, but a kind of "about page". If you are really smart (or lucky), you'll then click on the Zope Book link and read it cover to cover, doing all the exercises. However, it would be good to have this be explicitly stated as generically the best way to learn about Zope for those who are starting fresh.
I propose a tweak to the layout for the zope.org home page, breaking out "about Zope" and "Learning Zope". Learning Zope would contain, of course, links to various introductory documents and how-tos. However, it would state up front what a newbie who wants to learn Zope should do. It might also have separate sections for non-programmers, people with programming experience, real wizards, etc. Obviously people can learn however they want, but being told "If in doubt, do/read this, then do/read this, etc." is helpful to newbies who are generally "in doubt" about what to do.
BTW, I think Zope Newbies could do the same. A "Learn Zope" link or area on the top page there be very nice.
-Don
[Zope] Quickstart needs updating! Michel Pelletier michel@digicool.com Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:31:47 -0800 (PST)
On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Joel Burton wrote:
On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Jeff Sasmor wrote:
>In The Almighty Lever "An exiting new development being worked on for Zope is The Lever... "
(I have been working with Zope for well over a year and still don't know what THIS is....)
Yeeps. Never heard of it.
"The Lever" is the same thing as a ZClass factory. In fact, the last chapter of the Zope book explains how you can use factories to create pre-fab templates from regular Zope objects as well as from ZClasses. That's the lever.
http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/CustomZopeObjects.dtml
> In "Programming Data with Tabula"
Tabula became ZTables, which is the genetic predecessor of ZCatalog.
Summary: Quickstart Really Needs to Get Updated
Quickstart Really Needs to Get Axed.
-Michel
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