Just in case anybody is interested (rather unlikely) I thought I'd let everybody know how I resolved my quest for #include-like behavior in DocumentTemplate. Of course, a very good way would have been to actually create a "dtml-include" tag by following the suggestions at zope.org. Being a Python newbie, a Zope not-even-newbie-yet, and under a tight deadline, I didn't go that route. Instead, I happened to stumble across this method. What I was looking for was something like: <!--#include file="../path/to/filename.dtml" --> in a DTML file to include another DTML file, recursively. I ended up doing this: <!--#with "_(incDoc = DocumentTemplate.HTMLFile('../path/to/file.dtml'))" --> <!--#var expr="incDoc(x = x)" --> <!--#/with --> It works well. The only problem is that for every object I want to pass to the included document must be specified individually (x = x). I tried these but they didn't work: <!--#var expr="incDoc(mapping = vars())" --> <!--#var expr="incDoc(mapping = mapping)" --> For now, this is not too much of a problem, as I'm only including a header or a footer that's common to all my DTML pages and they don't require many arguments. BTW, I think DocumentTemplate is excellent and it should be added to the standard Python distribution. For those that don't know my weird history with this module, I've borrowed DocumentTemplate from Zope to write some CGIs in Python. They're coming along nicely, but I admit that I'm somewhat sloppy. -- Lance E Sloan Web Services, Univ. of Michigan: Full-service Web and database design, development, and hosting. Specializing in Perl & Python CGIs. http://websvcs.itd.umich.edu/ - "Putting U on the Web"