Hello all, seems like the passions have calmed down more or less, but i'd like to add my two czech crowns :) Sorry in advance. <flame on> Actually from the beginning I did not understand why people are arguing on perl vs python - it is not the main issue... You see, DC is a _commercial_ thing. I do not know exactly why they took their main product- Zope public, but it's not hard to guess - like with all open-source products, it helps in lots of ways: a). you have free testers b). you increase the exposure of your product (mostly to enthusiasts who will not buy your product anyway :) ) c). while your product remains too criptic,buggy and hard-to use for the newcomer - you can earn money on "consulting" - i.e. creating sites for some companies who dont want to mess with it, but are innovative enough. (so the below is mostly about DC, not about community :) ) From: "Itamar Shtull-Trauring" <itamar@maxnm.com>
1. Zope is complicated 2. Adding Perl to Zope makes it more complicated 3. Most of us here have some Zope knowledge 4. All the Perl programmers who will flock to Zope won't have this knowledge 5. Zope with Perl will be even more popular
RESULT: We can get rich as Zope consultants.
So adding perl is fine from all 3 points of view - lots of new people, lots of exposure and product becomes even more strange-featured... Personally I'd like to see just more consistent and clear and full documentation on existing product(I wonder if people at DC could make an agreement with some company on documenting the system? This surely will help in achieving goal (b) - the easier it is to use, the more people will use it - it is strong enough to be used as a middleware in simple-to medium projects... but with lots of Zope experts hanging around - what will DC do for earning money? :) ) DC wants to move fast and take all the opportunities it can - to have some part of the middleware market e.g. With Zope in its' current state it is not possible (imho) - startups without money would better hire some php programmer and write all in old good php (or perl :) ) - because it is always better to know if it will work tomorrow the same way it works today, rich ones will buy something like new Oracle web development/publishment suits - they are not so expensive though - for the same reason (and Oracle is _much_ more powerful). Maybe everntually Zope will become some powerful and popular tool, maybe it will be just very complicated software which only DC knows how to deal with (still earning a good money producing terrific sites on this platform:) ) <flame off> regards, Vitaly Telenor Czech Republic P.S About Oleg's (Broytmann) remarks on giving up zoping - it is actually a big loss for zope, because AFAIK the company he works for owns some 10 news information sites which are biggest online information sites in Russia - I guess half of Russian Internet community reads their news P.P.S sorry for language - I am native Russian living in Czech Republic, speaking English to Norvegians and sometimes not very successfully trying to read docs in Japanese... :) (all opinions expressed here are my own and have nothing to do with my employer)