newbie -- creating a Product
I'm a complete Zope novice. Forgive me if my question is inane. I need to be able to send an e-mail (following a form submit) with an attachment (and I prefer not to use DTML). I can send e-mails withOUT attachments, but according to this: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2005-May/159291.html I need to create "a simple product like this: EmailTools/__init__.py ------------------- contents --------------------------------- from AccessControl import allow_module, allow_class, allow_type from AccessControl import ModuleSecurityInfo, ClassSecurityInfo from email.MIMEText import MIMEText from email.MIMEMultipart import MIMEMultipart from email.MIMEBase import MIMEBase from email.Header import Header from MailCrypt import signmail from email.Encoders import encode_base64 allow_class(BlockFormatter) allow_class(MIMEBase) allow_class(MIMEText) allow_class(MIMEMultipart) allow_class(Header) allow_class(signmail) allow_class(encode_base64) --------------------------------------------------------------- " This then will allow me to send attachments using from Products.EmailTools import MIMEText,MIMEBase,MIMEMultipart,Header,encode_base64 in the python script. (Without the EmailTools product Zope tells me I am not allowed to import MIME*) This is where my question comes in. I have tried to create the product both from the ZMI (which does not allow the creation of __init__.py's) and via command line (in ~/Products, in lib/Python, everywhere that the sparse and conflicting information I have been able to gather tells me). Doing the latter I can certainly create the __init__.py but the Product doesn't register with zope. Could someone give a quick walk-through (or point to an up-to-date source) on how to create this Product? (I am running Zope 2.8.6-final, python 2.4.3, linux2) Thanks.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Aidan" <mnstrmr@gmail.com> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 10:28 PM Subject: [Zope] newbie -- creating a Product
I'm a complete Zope novice. Forgive me if my question is inane.
I need to be able to send an e-mail (following a form submit) with an attachment (and I prefer not to use DTML). I can send e-mails withOUT attachments, but according to this: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2005-May/159291.html
I need to create
"a simple product like this:
EmailTools/__init__.py ------------------- contents --------------------------------- from AccessControl import allow_module, allow_class, allow_type from AccessControl import ModuleSecurityInfo, ClassSecurityInfo
from email.MIMEText import MIMEText from email.MIMEMultipart import MIMEMultipart from email.MIMEBase import MIMEBase from email.Header import Header from MailCrypt import signmail from email.Encoders import encode_base64
allow_class(BlockFormatter) allow_class(MIMEBase) allow_class(MIMEText) allow_class(MIMEMultipart) allow_class(Header) allow_class(signmail) allow_class(encode_base64) --------------------------------------------------------------- "
This then will allow me to send attachments using
from Products.EmailTools import MIMEText,MIMEBase,MIMEMultipart,Header,encode_base64
in the python script. (Without the EmailTools product Zope tells me I am not allowed to import MIME*)
This is where my question comes in. I have tried to create the product both from the ZMI (which does not allow the creation of __init__.py's) and via command line (in ~/Products, in lib/Python, everywhere that the sparse and conflicting information I have been able to gather tells me). Doing the latter I can certainly create the __init__.py but the Product doesn't register with zope.
Could someone give a quick walk-through (or point to an up-to-date source) on how to create this Product?
(I am running Zope 2.8.6-final, python 2.4.3, linux2)
For a single task like you have described it may be easier to create a simple external method. Jonathan
Thanks, I will try the external method. However, what I was really hoping for was an explanation of the Product creation part -- if I can create and get this very simple Product to work, I can begin to understand this facet of Zope and make more complex Products. OK, forget the email attachment detail of my question. I am confused here: I have tried to create the product both from the ZMI (which does not allow the creation of __init__.py's) and via command line (in ~/Products, in lib/Python, everywhere that the sparse and conflicting information I have been able to gather tells me). Doing the latter I can certainly create the __init__.py but the Product doesn't register with zope. Thanks. On 11/6/06, Jonathan <dev101@magma.ca> wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Aidan" <mnstrmr@gmail.com> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 10:28 PM Subject: [Zope] newbie -- creating a Product
I'm a complete Zope novice. Forgive me if my question is inane.
I need to be able to send an e-mail (following a form submit) with an attachment (and I prefer not to use DTML). I can send e-mails withOUT attachments, but according to this: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2005-May/159291.html
I need to create
"a simple product like this:
EmailTools/__init__.py ------------------- contents --------------------------------- from AccessControl import allow_module, allow_class, allow_type from AccessControl import ModuleSecurityInfo, ClassSecurityInfo
from email.MIMEText import MIMEText from email.MIMEMultipart import MIMEMultipart from email.MIMEBase import MIMEBase from email.Header import Header from MailCrypt import signmail from email.Encoders import encode_base64
allow_class(BlockFormatter) allow_class(MIMEBase) allow_class(MIMEText) allow_class(MIMEMultipart) allow_class(Header) allow_class(signmail) allow_class(encode_base64) --------------------------------------------------------------- "
This then will allow me to send attachments using
from Products.EmailTools import MIMEText,MIMEBase,MIMEMultipart,Header,encode_base64
in the python script. (Without the EmailTools product Zope tells me I am not allowed to import MIME*)
This is where my question comes in. I have tried to create the product both from the ZMI (which does not allow the creation of __init__.py's) and via command line (in ~/Products, in lib/Python, everywhere that the sparse and conflicting information I have been able to gather tells me). Doing the latter I can certainly create the __init__.py but the Product doesn't register with zope.
Could someone give a quick walk-through (or point to an up-to-date source) on how to create this Product?
(I am running Zope 2.8.6-final, python 2.4.3, linux2)
For a single task like you have described it may be easier to create a simple external method.
Jonathan
Here is some intro info on zope products: http://www.zope.org/Members/maxm/HowTo/minimal_01 Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Amanda A. To: zope@zope.org Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] newbie -- creating a Product Thanks, I will try the external method. However, what I was really hoping for was an explanation of the Product creation part -- if I can create and get this very simple Product to work, I can begin to understand this facet of Zope and make more complex Products. OK, forget the email attachment detail of my question. I am confused here: I have tried to create the product both from the ZMI (which does not allow the creation of __init__.py's) and via command line (in ~/Products, in lib/Python, everywhere that the sparse and conflicting information I have been able to gather tells me). Doing the latter I can certainly create the __init__.py but the Product doesn't register with zope. Thanks. On 11/6/06, Jonathan <dev101@magma.ca> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aidan" <mnstrmr@gmail.com> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 10:28 PM Subject: [Zope] newbie -- creating a Product > I'm a complete Zope novice. Forgive me if my question is inane. > > I need to be able to send an e-mail (following a form submit) with an > attachment > (and I prefer not to use DTML). I can send e-mails withOUT attachments, > but > according to this: > http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2005-May/159291.html > > I need to create > > > "a simple product like this: > > EmailTools/__init__.py > ------------------- contents --------------------------------- > from AccessControl import allow_module, allow_class, allow_type > from AccessControl import ModuleSecurityInfo, ClassSecurityInfo > > from email.MIMEText import MIMEText > from email.MIMEMultipart import MIMEMultipart > from email.MIMEBase import MIMEBase > from email.Header import Header > from MailCrypt import signmail > from email.Encoders import encode_base64 > > allow_class(BlockFormatter) > allow_class(MIMEBase) > allow_class(MIMEText) > allow_class(MIMEMultipart) > allow_class(Header) > allow_class(signmail) > allow_class(encode_base64) > --------------------------------------------------------------- > " > > > > This then will allow me to send attachments using > > from Products.EmailTools import > MIMEText,MIMEBase,MIMEMultipart,Header,encode_base64 > > in the python script. (Without the EmailTools product Zope tells me I am > not > allowed to import MIME*) > > > This is where my question comes in. I have tried to create the product > both from > the ZMI (which does not allow the creation of __init__.py's) and via > command > line (in ~/Products, in lib/Python, everywhere that the sparse and > conflicting > information I have been able to gather tells me). Doing the latter I can > certainly create the __init__.py but the Product doesn't register with > zope. > > > Could someone give a quick walk-through (or point to an up-to-date source) > on > how to create this Product? > > (I am running Zope 2.8.6-final, python 2.4.3 , linux2) For a single task like you have described it may be easier to create a simple external method. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Aidan skrev:
I'm a complete Zope novice. Forgive me if my question is inane.
I need to be able to send an e-mail (following a form submit) with an attachment (and I prefer not to use DTML). I can send e-mails withOUT attachments, but according to this: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2005-May/159291.html
If your are using Zope 2 and is a newbie, do yourself the favour of starting with Zope 3. If you want to work in zope 2 you should use Plone as a base, and create products with Archgen XML (AGX) There are no advantages in using plain Zope 2 anymore. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science
+-------[ Max M ]---------------------- | | There are no advantages in using plain Zope 2 anymore. What a crock. -- Andrew Milton akm@theinternet.com.au
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Aidan skrev:
I'm a complete Zope novice. Forgive me if my question is inane. I need to be able to send an e-mail (following a form submit) with an attachment (and I prefer not to use DTML). I can send e-mails withOUT attachments, but according to this: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2005-May/ 159291.html
If your are using Zope 2 and is a newbie, do yourself the favour of starting with Zope 3.
If you want to work in zope 2 you should use Plone as a base, and create products with Archgen XML (AGX)
There are no advantages in using plain Zope 2 anymore.
I'm sorry, that's just complete BS. jens -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFT2C9RAx5nvEhZLIRAoZVAKCSz5LFjYjkw5RwnWqD6mgUS+uidACgtea3 29NejysD8vmOcCBf4/RlP8Q= =+uW7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Vagelpohl" <jens@dataflake.org> To: "zope list user" <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] Re: newbie -- creating a Product
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On 6 Nov 2006, at 15:51, Max M wrote:
Aidan skrev:
I'm a complete Zope novice. Forgive me if my question is inane. I need to be able to send an e-mail (following a form submit) with an attachment (and I prefer not to use DTML). I can send e-mails withOUT attachments, but according to this: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2005-May/ 159291.html
If your are using Zope 2 and is a newbie, do yourself the favour of starting with Zope 3.
If you want to work in zope 2 you should use Plone as a base, and create products with Archgen XML (AGX)
There are no advantages in using plain Zope 2 anymore.
I'm sorry, that's just complete BS.
jens
+ 1 Jonathan
--On 6. November 2006 11:42:02 -0500 Jonathan <dev101@magma.ca> wrote:
If your are using Zope 2 and is a newbie, do yourself the favour of starting with Zope 3.
If you want to work in zope 2 you should use Plone as a base, and create products with Archgen XML (AGX)
There are no advantages in using plain Zope 2 anymore.
I'm sorry, that's just complete BS.
jens
+ 1
Also +1 on the BS. Plone is a solution for lots of use-cases but it is not a solution for all-and-everything. Keep in mind that Plone is (easily spoken) a skin with with some business logic at implements CMS functionality on top of a huge pile of frameworks. Compare it to an iceberg (one seventh of the iceberg you'll see over the waterline is Plone and the rest are frameworks under the hood). Complex application scenarios often don't match with the Plone use-cases. Therefore it is better to build in such cases your own application on top of CMF instead Plone. And once again: don't sell Plone as all-in-one device to every customer - that's unprofessional. A good consultant/developers knows when to use Plone and when not to use Plone. -aj
Jens Vagelpohl skrev:
If your are using Zope 2 and is a newbie, do yourself the favour of starting with Zope 3.
If you want to work in zope 2 you should use Plone as a base, and create products with Archgen XML (AGX)
There are no advantages in using plain Zope 2 anymore.
I'm sorry, that's just complete BS.
No it isn't! Mind what I said (or tried to say). If you are a *new developer*, with a *new project*, you are far better of starting with Zope 3 than with Zope 2. If you need features that are in Zope 2 but not in Zope 3, you are better of using a framework like Plone. I have done Zope for +6 years, and I would not dream of starting up a project from scratch in Zope 2 anymore. I did not say that Zope 2 was useless. I still spend most of my time working on Plone based projects. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science
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Jens Vagelpohl skrev:
If your are using Zope 2 and is a newbie, do yourself the favour of starting with Zope 3.
If you want to work in zope 2 you should use Plone as a base, and create products with Archgen XML (AGX)
There are no advantages in using plain Zope 2 anymore. I'm sorry, that's just complete BS.
No it isn't!
Mind what I said (or tried to say). If you are a *new developer*, with a *new project*, you are far better of starting with Zope 3 than with Zope 2.
That's questionable. Answers like this only add to a certain FUD factor out there about Zope2 being thrown out shortly.
If you need features that are in Zope 2 but not in Zope 3, you are better of using a framework like Plone.
Hell no. Trying to throw a complete newbie not just into developing with Zope, but developing with Plone on top of Zope is, IMHO, insane. Not only do you need to learn Zope, you also need to learn the various Plone programming paradigms. That's just bad advice, unless someone truly wants those portal-like functionalities in Plone. Plone is a screwdriver, and you're advising people to pound a nail into the wall with a screwdriver.
I have done Zope for +6 years, and I would not dream of starting up a project from scratch in Zope 2 anymore.
I did not say that Zope 2 was useless. I still spend most of my time working on Plone based projects.
This is a case of professional "blinders". You've been working with a specific combination for years so these things come easy to you. The problem is you don't seem to see that there is healthy life outside of Plone. Or outside of Zope 3, for that matter. jens -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFT3xdRAx5nvEhZLIRAjC+AJ9LB97a9L9Cd7KdFPO930r61UVRUACfc4w8 ung9EM2iVqmfZEj+zjznLR8= =i6xK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Vagelpohl" <jens@dataflake.org> To: "zope user list" <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] Re: newbie -- creating a Product
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On 6 Nov 2006, at 17:59, Max M wrote:
Jens Vagelpohl skrev:
If your are using Zope 2 and is a newbie, do yourself the favour of starting with Zope 3.
If you want to work in zope 2 you should use Plone as a base, and create products with Archgen XML (AGX)
There are no advantages in using plain Zope 2 anymore. I'm sorry, that's just complete BS.
No it isn't!
Mind what I said (or tried to say). If you are a *new developer*, with a *new project*, you are far better of starting with Zope 3 than with Zope 2.
That's questionable. Answers like this only add to a certain FUD factor out there about Zope2 being thrown out shortly.
If you need features that are in Zope 2 but not in Zope 3, you are better of using a framework like Plone.
Hell no. Trying to throw a complete newbie not just into developing with Zope, but developing with Plone on top of Zope is, IMHO, insane. Not only do you need to learn Zope, you also need to learn the various Plone programming paradigms. That's just bad advice, unless someone truly wants those portal-like functionalities in Plone. Plone is a screwdriver, and you're advising people to pound a nail into the wall with a screwdriver.
I have done Zope for +6 years, and I would not dream of starting up a project from scratch in Zope 2 anymore.
I did not say that Zope 2 was useless. I still spend most of my time working on Plone based projects.
This is a case of professional "blinders". You've been working with a specific combination for years so these things come easy to you. The problem is you don't seem to see that there is healthy life outside of Plone. Or outside of Zope 3, for that matter.
+1+1+1+1... :-) P.S. if you want a complete newbie NOT to use zope, throw them into the deep end with Zope 3 (compared to Zope 2 there is not a lot of documentation, examples, and expertise available to help newbies; not to mention the fact that Zope 3 is still rapidly evolving). Jonathan
--On 6. November 2006 13:37:52 -0500 Jonathan <dev101@magma.ca> wrote:
P.S. if you want a complete newbie NOT to use zope
A complete newbie is a person that will ask you how to use a spoon for eating its soup. None of the frameworks is suitable for a complete newbie. A complete newbie needs to learn the basics of programming (html, python scripting) first first before touching any framework. Let's better discuss persons with some programming skills :-) -aj -- ZOPYX Ltd. & Co. KG - Charlottenstr. 37/1 - 72070 Tübingen - Germany Web: www.zopyx.com - Email: info@zopyx.com - Phone +49 - 7071 - 793376 E-Publishing, Python, Zope & Plone development, Consulting
Jonathan skrev:
P.S. if you want a complete newbie NOT to use zope, throw them into the deep end with Zope 3 (compared to Zope 2 there is not a lot of documentation, examples, and expertise available to help newbies; not to mention the fact that Zope 3 is still rapidly evolving).
There is a *lot* more documentation of Z3 than there was of Z2 when I was a newbie in that... -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science
Jens Vagelpohl skrev:
Mind what I said (or tried to say). If you are a *new developer*, with a *new project*, you are far better of starting with Zope 3 than with Zope 2.
That's questionable. Answers like this only add to a certain FUD factor out there about Zope2 being thrown out shortly.
You don't have to throw out Zope 2 to start using Zope 3. Just ignore Zope 2 and get on with it.
If you need features that are in Zope 2 but not in Zope 3, you are better of using a framework like Plone.
Hell no. Trying to throw a complete newbie not just into developing with Zope, but developing with Plone on top of Zope is, IMHO, insane. Not only do you need to learn Zope, you also need to learn the various Plone programming paradigms.
That is why I recommended Zope 3 as the first choice. Zope 3 is clearly ready for production. In many areas it is allready far better than Zope 2. I don't understand why it is better for a newbie to learn Zope 2 than Zope 3? Zope 2 has so many warts, and is a dead end.
That's just bad advice, unless someone truly wants those portal-like functionalities in Plone.
And if they don't, they should use Zope 3.
I did not say that Zope 2 was useless. I still spend most of my time working on Plone based projects.
This is a case of professional "blinders". You've been working with a specific combination for years so these things come easy to you. The problem is you don't seem to see that there is healthy life outside of Plone. Or outside of Zope 3, for that matter.
Well the problem is that Zope 2 was never easy for beginners either. And by now it is starting to get phased out for Zope 3. This is not something I make up. It is the stated goal for all the Zope 2 based projects I have heard about. They call it slowly migrating to Zope 3, but it really is the same goal! This will take years. But it is happening. Eg. any new development in Plone will be in Zope 3. At least afaik. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science
----- Original Message ----- From: "Max M" <maxm@mxm.dk> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 2:01 PM Subject: [Zope] Re: newbie -- creating a Product
Jens Vagelpohl skrev:
Mind what I said (or tried to say). If you are a *new developer*, with a *new project*, you are far better of starting with Zope 3 than with Zope 2.
That's questionable. Answers like this only add to a certain FUD factor out there about Zope2 being thrown out shortly.
You don't have to throw out Zope 2 to start using Zope 3. Just ignore Zope 2 and get on with it.
If you need features that are in Zope 2 but not in Zope 3, you are better of using a framework like Plone.
Hell no. Trying to throw a complete newbie not just into developing with Zope, but developing with Plone on top of Zope is, IMHO, insane. Not only do you need to learn Zope, you also need to learn the various Plone programming paradigms.
That is why I recommended Zope 3 as the first choice. Zope 3 is clearly ready for production. In many areas it is allready far better than Zope 2.
I don't understand why it is better for a newbie to learn Zope 2 than Zope 3? Zope 2 has so many warts, and is a dead end.
That's just bad advice, unless someone truly wants those portal-like functionalities in Plone.
And if they don't, they should use Zope 3.
I did not say that Zope 2 was useless. I still spend most of my time working on Plone based projects.
This is a case of professional "blinders". You've been working with a specific combination for years so these things come easy to you. The problem is you don't seem to see that there is healthy life outside of Plone. Or outside of Zope 3, for that matter.
Well the problem is that Zope 2 was never easy for beginners either. And by now it is starting to get phased out for Zope 3.
This is the first I have heard about Zope 2 being phased out... Jonathan
Jonathan skrev:
Well the problem is that Zope 2 was never easy for beginners either. And by now it is starting to get phased out for Zope 3.
This is the first I have heard about Zope 2 being phased out...
Well .. get used to it then ;-) Z2 will keep on being maintained until it is replaced by Z3. The goal of the zope developers is not about keeping Z2 and Z3 running for as long as possible. Only for as long as necessary. Z2 is still being maintained, and will be for a long time. But the development is all moving in the direction of Z3. Read the changelog of the latest Z2 releases. They are practially only about bugfixes and Z3 integration. Core Zope 2 development has practically grinded to a halt. New developments are taking place in Zope 3. How is that not an outphasing? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science
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Jonathan skrev:
Well the problem is that Zope 2 was never easy for beginners either. And by now it is starting to get phased out for Zope 3.
This is the first I have heard about Zope 2 being phased out...
Well .. get used to it then ;-)
Z2 will keep on being maintained until it is replaced by Z3. The goal of the zope developers is not about keeping Z2 and Z3 running for as long as possible. Only for as long as necessary.
Z2 is still being maintained, and will be for a long time. But the development is all moving in the direction of Z3.
Read the changelog of the latest Z2 releases. They are practially only about bugfixes and Z3 integration. Core Zope 2 development has practically grinded to a halt. New developments are taking place in Zope 3.
How is that not an outphasing?
I would actually bet on Jim's "door #3" (Zope2 reabsorbing Zope3) as a more likely outcome. Five years later, the number of production installations of Zope3 compared to Zope2 is statistically insignificant; the use of Zope3 technology within Zope2, however, is growing by leaps and bounds. Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver +1 202-558-7113 tseaver@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFT8yf+gerLs4ltQ4RAvS4AKC2bYw7gCDO4Uwqs8ZV/2T5fhT+KACdHS+h Cmrr+OBh0g1rWK5BM6f1St0= =rGTb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tres Seaver" <tseaver@palladion.com> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 7:00 PM Subject: [Zope] Re: newbie -- creating a Product
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Max M wrote:
Jonathan skrev:
Well the problem is that Zope 2 was never easy for beginners either. And by now it is starting to get phased out for Zope 3.
This is the first I have heard about Zope 2 being phased out...
Well .. get used to it then ;-)
Z2 will keep on being maintained until it is replaced by Z3. The goal of the zope developers is not about keeping Z2 and Z3 running for as long as possible. Only for as long as necessary.
Z2 is still being maintained, and will be for a long time. But the development is all moving in the direction of Z3.
Read the changelog of the latest Z2 releases. They are practially only about bugfixes and Z3 integration. Core Zope 2 development has practically grinded to a halt. New developments are taking place in Zope 3.
How is that not an outphasing?
I would actually bet on Jim's "door #3" (Zope2 reabsorbing Zope3) as a more likely outcome. Five years later, the number of production installations of Zope3 compared to Zope2 is statistically insignificant; the use of Zope3 technology within Zope2, however, is growing by leaps and bounds.
+1 I think this is a very realistic/feasible option. The installed base of Zope 2 applications is too large for Zope 2 to disappear, and porting Zope 2 applications to Zope 3 is not practical. I am hoping that "Door #3" is the winning door!
Max M wrote: "Btw. I don't see any reason to use words like 'drivel' and 'bullshit'. "It is rude and counterproductive. And I don't recall that I have been rude on this list in general or to you specifically." Of course it is rude and counterproductive. It seems to be a feature on this list being rude and immature. Not from everyone of course, just from the minority. If certain 'personality types' get irritated when reading and replying to a community support list, they shouldn't be here. You've just got to ignore it and put it down to a 'lack of class' as another list member put it. On 11/7/06, Jonathan <dev10n1@magma.ca> wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tres Seaver" <tseaver@palladion.com> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 7:00 PM Subject: [Zope] Re: newbie -- creating a Product
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Max M wrote:
Jonathan skrev:
Well the problem is that Zope 2 was never easy for beginners either. And by now it is starting to get phased out for Zope 3.
This is the first I have heard about Zope 2 being phased out...
Well .. get used to it then ;-)
Z2 will keep on being maintained until it is replaced by Z3. The goal of the zope developers is not about keeping Z2 and Z3 running for as long as possible. Only for as long as necessary.
Z2 is still being maintained, and will be for a long time. But the development is all moving in the direction of Z3.
Read the changelog of the latest Z2 releases. They are practially only about bugfixes and Z3 integration. Core Zope 2 development has practically grinded to a halt. New developments are taking place in Zope 3.
How is that not an outphasing?
I would actually bet on Jim's "door #3" (Zope2 reabsorbing Zope3) as a more likely outcome. Five years later, the number of production installations of Zope3 compared to Zope2 is statistically insignificant; the use of Zope3 technology within Zope2, however, is growing by leaps and bounds.
+1 I think this is a very realistic/feasible option. The installed base of Zope 2 applications is too large for Zope 2 to disappear, and porting Zope 2 applications to Zope 3 is not practical. I am hoping that "Door #3" is the winning door!
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--On 6. November 2006 20:01:55 +0100 Max M <maxm@mxm.dk> wrote:
Well the problem is that Zope 2 was never easy for beginners either. And by now it is starting to get phased out for Zope 3.
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Andreas Jung skrev:
--On 6. November 2006 20:01:55 +0100 Max M <maxm@mxm.dk> wrote:
Well the problem is that Zope 2 was never easy for beginners either. And by now it is starting to get phased out for Zope 3.
BS
A case of bear says that in the next two years (1. Jan. 2008) the vast majority of Zope development will take place in Z3 technologies. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science
Max M skrev:
Andreas Jung skrev:
--On 6. November 2006 20:01:55 +0100 Max M <maxm@mxm.dk> wrote:
Well the problem is that Zope 2 was never easy for beginners either. And by now it is starting to get phased out for Zope 3.
BS
A case of bear says that in the next two years (1. Jan. 2008) the vast majority of Zope development will take place in Z3 technologies.
A case of beer will do in lack of bears. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science
--On 6. November 2006 21:06:31 +0100 Max M <maxm@mxm.dk> wrote:
Andreas Jung skrev:
--On 6. November 2006 20:01:55 +0100 Max M <maxm@mxm.dk> wrote:
Well the problem is that Zope 2 was never easy for beginners either. And by now it is starting to get phased out for Zope 3.
BS
A case of bear says that in the next two years (1. Jan. 2008) the vast majority of Zope development will take place in Z3 technologies.
Zope 3 is a big spare-part and component factory and it is easy to integrate stuff into Zope 2. That is currently happening. But *stop* your drivel about Zope being phased out. Zope might fade away at some time in the far future because there is something better but there is *no active* phasing-out by the community. The future of Zope 2 and Zope 3 are open - read the corresponding posting on Zope 2+3 by Jim Fulton published after the last PyCon. There is no word of phasing out Zope 2. -aj
Andreas Jung skrev:
The future of Zope 2 and Zope 3 are open -
Yes so please stop arguing as if we are arguing anything but opinions.
read the corresponding posting on Zope 2+3 by Jim Fulton published after the last PyCon. There is no word of phasing out Zope 2.
I believe it will happen a lot faster than you think. New versions of Plone will use it exensively, so there will be a lot of new developers from that comunity. Which is pretty big. That will drive the shift forward. I know plenty of Plone developers, and I don't recall that any of them yearn to stay in Z2 after having tried Z3. Quite the opposite. Btw. I don't see any reason to use words like 'drivel' and 'bullshit'. It is rude and counterproductive. And I don't recall that I have been rude on this list in general or to you specifically. I am not trolling I just gave a new developer what I believe is good advice. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science
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Nothing is phased out for Zope 3. That is incorrect, and that's what causes FUD. jens -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFT6crRAx5nvEhZLIRAn54AJ0XVMS2y7akRg17LHEsaPpmxBnbcACgg3jq EoFwS2Lmp+k7itgNitzZKXU= =d8dE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Aidan wrote:
I need to be able to send an e-mail (following a form submit) with an attachment (and I prefer not to use DTML). I can send e-mails withOUT attachments, but according to this: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2005-May/159291.html
I wrote a product specifically for this: http://www.simplistix.co.uk/software/zope/mailtemplates It should do everything you want... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk
On 11/6/06, Chris Withers <chris@simplistix.co.uk> wrote:
Aidan wrote:
I need to be able to send an e-mail (following a form submit) with an
attachment
(and I prefer not to use DTML). I can send e-mails withOUT attachments, but according to this: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2005-May/159291.html
I wrote a product specifically for this:
http://www.simplistix.co.uk/software/zope/mailtemplates
It should do everything you want...
Thank you! I just tried it and it does exactly what I need. Thanks to others for their help as well.
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