Here is the updated Counter Product. This contains two classes, one which provides a visible Counter Product which can be added as an object, and which has Security options, and a new tag which provides a means of accessing the Counter Product. Note: the tag should be able to access ANY object which possesses a getCount() and a incrementCount(md) where md==_. So an SQLCounter Product which stores its numbers in an SQL database should be able to use the same tag structure. Since it passes md into the incrementCount, the Product is free to store as much or as little of the REQUEST as it chooses. My product stores only the IP address, and only under proper conditions. The tag structure is described in the CounterTag.py source file, and examples are given. I hope this is useful to someone. <<Counter.tar>> Howard C. Shaw III Programmer/SysAdmin St. Thomas High School