On Thu, 06 Jul 2000, Firestar wrote:

Hi, thanks for your comment.

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Absolutely. Apache is many times faster than Zope. (Don't know >much about AOLserver, but anything with AOL..... :)

However, Apache can't do squat compared with Zope when it comes >to dynamic content.

Not true. I have been programming using PHP and PERL, and together with Apache(DSO) they are quite fast. They do offer sessions tracking, authentication, database API + other features. It's just that due to the increasing 'hype':) on Zope and the vast array of features that it seems to offer, i'm sort of "attracted" by it:)

<ahem> As I said, compared with Apache, for static content, it is slow. However, just like with CGI, PHP, and various other technologies, ZOPE can work through Apache. As I've had to tell many of my friends, once I became a ZOPE convert, Zope does not allow you to do anything you can't already do, but it makes those things SO much easier. (o8

Of course if i have time, i will play ard with it and see how good it is. Problem is that time is not really on my side and i need to decide on my next development tool fast(i have yet to try out other stuff e.g. ASP, JSP, Servlet..) I heard that the learning curve for Zope is quite steep, plus the documentation is not(?) that comprehensive, compared to e.g. PHP. What are your comments though? i may be wrong here...

Well, I find that Zope allows a MUCH quicker development cycle, along with various other advantages, such as remote edit of pages from any browser on the net. Yes, the documentation is lacking. However, IMHO, a competent programmer (especially one with a decent grasp of OO) will pick it up quickly with just a couple of reference documents. (The Zope Quick Reference comes to mind :) A friend of mine was a hardcore PHP nut, before I introduced him to Zope, and was amazed at how simple it made work. I think the thing that slowed his learning of zope the most was often expecting solutions to problems to be complex.

regards, firestar

By all means, try it out. And when you're done, tell us what you think. What you like, where you think other technologies win out, and why. Zope is developing quickly, and the features are easy to add because of the open nature of the project, and the whole product system. Have a better one, Curtis Maloney <dtml-var standard_work_disclaimer>

On Thu, Jul 06, 2000 at 04:13:31AM -0400, Firestar wrote:

Of course if i have time, i will play ard with it and see how good it is. Problem is that time is not really on my side and i need to decide on my next development tool fast(i have yet to try out other stuff e.g. ASP, JSP, Servlet..) I heard that the learning curve for Zope is quite steep, plus the documentation is not(?) that comprehensive, compared to e.g. PHP. What are your comments though? i may be wrong here...

Of course, the PHP book I have is really nice, phplib is a godsend too, but I've tried it and I'm here now. If you take the time to go beyond the "i will do it with external method in python because that's all I know" stage, you will find at home sooner or later depending on wether: - you already know python (I did) - you understand the difference between <dtml-var pippo> and <dtml-var "pippo"> - you understand how to wisely use REQUEST and RESPONSE - you don't need complex new products or zclasses - you post any doubt here (nice place isn't it?) - you give a deep read at the ZSQL documentation - you can apply full-time (I couldn't) given that, most of the howtos and tips are redundant :-) Of course I'm a newbie, but I'm a confident newbie. -- "This company has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down. If the problem persists, contact your vendor or appeal to a higher court." - Signal11 on slashdot