jiva@devware.com wrote:

I may be giving a presentation on Zope to our local Linux users group, and in an effort to be complete, and seem like I have researched other products well, I was wondering, what OTHER products are there that have similar featuresets to ZOPE? Including things like the version control, the database integration, and the scripting capabilities? I have looked around, and I can't seem to find anything that does. Am I just missing it? It seems like some products have some features, and other have others, but none have them all the features ZOPE has.

Also, what, besides a Rapid Development GUI system, is ZOPE missing that these others have?

Allaire has released a beta of ColdFusion 4.5 for Linux, and when 4.5 ships, it will be available fro Linux. Drawbacks to ColdFusion are that it is MASSIVELY EXPENSIVE, terribly unstable (on Windows and Solaris, at least, so there is no reason to expect any different on Linux), and as far as I can tell, there are no database drivers supported in Linux yet, since CF only uses ODBC, and the docs didn't seem to say that the current ODBC developments on Linux are sufficient for connectivity. Perhaps it has support for those dbs that are supported natively by CF in the NT environment (Oracle7, 8, and Sybase), but I am unsure. CF is a bit more mature in terms of feature set, but Zope is not far behind and rapidly catching up. Zope has a very nice object orientation mechanism that does not seem to be duplicated in any way by CF, but I could be wrong. I have very little CF experience. CF has some cool constructs that Zope doesn't have, but zope has some unique ones of its own. Besides, Zope is open source, supported by an awesome group of devoted developers (fanatics?), and is just generally cooler than anything else. Oh yeah. Zope is written in the coolest language I have seen in a long time, Python (Thanks Guido!). CF does have some nice features in its IDE that probably wont be matched by Zope in the very near future. It would be nice to do edits in an environment other than a TEXTAREA box in my browser, but I can wait. For the SQL novice, CF also has a query builder much like the one in MS Access. It probably builds queries that are just as ugly, too. Just my $.02

Is ASP a competitor to ZOPE? PHP? Seems like these are both just plain scripting systems. They don't do the version control or anything that ZOPE does.

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