What's up with netcraft?
I noticed that the latest netcraft survey shows that there are 4056 live Zope servers on the net in August. http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/Reports/0108/ This is down from 11756 servers in July. Here is a graph: http://www.ozzope.org/aboutzope/ What is going on here? Did half the people running Zope suddenly switch off their servers or did Netcraft muck up their stats last month? Cheers, David.
I noticed that the latest netcraft survey shows that there are 4056 live Zope servers on the net in August.
http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/Reports/0108/
This is down from 11756 servers in July.
Here is a graph:
http://www.ozzope.org/aboutzope/
What is going on here? Did half the people running Zope suddenly switch off their servers or did Netcraft muck up their stats last month?
I can think of three scenario's, both based on the fact that there was a Belgian domain name broker that had several thousand template websites running in Zope. Netcraft takes special care to count template sites on one server as only one site: http://www.netcraft.com/survey/index-200007.html#active. The domain name broker's template pages were however not counted as one server due to some extra, random, HTML tags that circumvent Netcrafts technique to detect template sites. Because of this extra HTML, the several thousand template sites were counted individually by Netcraft; that's why there were so many non-dotcom Zope servers. I think one of the following three scenarios happened: - Netcraft discovered that several thousand websites were in fact template sites that they want to count as one server and enhanced their detection scheme to take the Belgian broker's HTML into account, or added the ip range manually. - The Belgian broker changed the template such that Netcraft's algorithm counts the template sites as one server. - The template sites no longer run on Zope for whatever reason. It looks like the last scenario, I checked via Netcraft and noticed that the broker switched hosting provider and in the process it's sites switched from Zope to Apache. Here is one example: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.daimler.be -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@zope.com | Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ ---------------------------------------------
Martijn Pieters <mj@zope.com> said:
I can think of three scenario's, both based on the fact that there was a Belgian domain name broker that had several thousand template websites running in Zope.
Sorry, but we're no domain name broker but rather a Zope-loving ISP (nor are we Belgian, we just happen to operate in this country as well as a bunch of other countries) - these were actual customer sites, even though they were just business cards. And yes, we moved them to Intershop ePages for a number of reasons (all commercial, by the way - technology-wise I would have liked to keep them in Zope) and thus we were the main cause of the plunge at Netcraft (we were the main cause of the rise in the first place :-)) We're still having a couple of thousand of our own domain names with business cards in Zope, but also around a hundred 'real' customer sites - and I hope we'll grow that number fast enough to get Zope in the top of the list again, this time with real real sites...
It looks like the last scenario, I checked via Netcraft and noticed that the broker switched hosting provider and in the process it's sites switched from Zope to Apache. Here is one example:
Actually we went from a borrowed IP address to our own range, but apart from that your guesses were mostly correct. Regards, Cees de Groot CTO The InternetOne -- Cees de Groot http://www.cdegroot.com <cg@cdegroot.com> GnuPG 1024D/E0989E8B 0016 F679 F38D 5946 4ECD 1986 F303 937F E098 9E8B http://www.anti-dmca.org/
On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 09:06:07PM +0200, Cees de Groot wrote:
Martijn Pieters <mj@zope.com> said:
I can think of three scenario's, both based on the fact that there was a Belgian domain name broker that had several thousand template websites running in Zope.
Sorry, but we're no domain name broker but rather a Zope-loving ISP (nor are we Belgian, we just happen to operate in this country as well as a bunch of other countries).
Sorry Cees, I don't have my old mailarchive around just now and my memory failed me on the details. Apologies! -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@zope.com | Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ ---------------------------------------------
mj@zope.com said:
Sorry Cees, I don't have my old mailarchive around just now and my memory failed me on the details. Apologies!
Never mind, Martijn - busy as we are setting up shop we haven't exactly been visible in the Zope community... -- Cees de Groot http://www.cdegroot.com <cg@cdegroot.com> GnuPG 1024D/E0989E8B 0016 F679 F38D 5946 4ECD 1986 F303 937F E098 9E8B
I wonder how they work it out. I have almost 50 websites running on Zope and I noticed that only about 5 of them are listed. Is there some way to submit sites to them? how do they crawl the web? Tom => -----Original Message----- => From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of David => Lutz => Sent: Monday, 10 September 2001 11:39 AM => To: zope@zope.org => Subject: [Zope] What's up with netcraft? => => => => I noticed that the latest netcraft survey shows that there are 4056 live => Zope servers on the net in August. => => http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/Reports/0108/ => => This is down from 11756 servers in July. => => Here is a graph: => => http://www.ozzope.org/aboutzope/ => => What is going on here? Did half the people running Zope suddenly switch => off their servers or did Netcraft muck up their stats last month? => => Cheers, David. => => _______________________________________________ => Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org => http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope => ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** => (Related lists - => http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce => http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) =>
tom, if you want to be included in netcraft's survey you can add your site. there's a link at the bottom of their main page at http://www.netcraft.com. unfortunately that link does not seem to work right now, the href points to something different. jens On Sunday, September 9, 2001, at 10:05 , Tom Cameron wrote:
I wonder how they work it out.
I have almost 50 websites running on Zope and I noticed that only about 5 of them are listed.
Is there some way to submit sites to them? how do they crawl the web?
Tom
=> -----Original Message----- => From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of David => Lutz => Sent: Monday, 10 September 2001 11:39 AM => To: zope@zope.org => Subject: [Zope] What's up with netcraft? => => => => I noticed that the latest netcraft survey shows that there are 4056 live => Zope servers on the net in August. => => http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/Reports/0108/ => => This is down from 11756 servers in July. => => Here is a graph: => => http://www.ozzope.org/aboutzope/ => => What is going on here? Did half the people running Zope suddenly switch => off their servers or did Netcraft muck up their stats last month? => => Cheers, David. => => _______________________________________________ => Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org => http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope => ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** => (Related lists - => http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce => http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) =>
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On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 12:05:35PM +1000, Tom Cameron wrote:
I wonder how they work it out.
I have almost 50 websites running on Zope and I noticed that only about 5 of them are listed.
Is there some way to submit sites to them? how do they crawl the web?
I think their "What's that site running" feature ads your address to their detection, but I'm not completely sure. -- Martin Sk�tt martin@z3n.dk
On Mon, 2001-09-10 at 15:13, Martin Skøtt wrote:
On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 12:05:35PM +1000, Tom Cameron wrote:
I wonder how they work it out.
I have almost 50 websites running on Zope and I noticed that only about 5 of them are listed.
Is there some way to submit sites to them? how do they crawl the web?
I think their "What's that site running" feature ads your address to their detection, but I'm not completely sure.
Bingo. You are correct, and I am sure of that. What you do is submit your site by asking "what's that site running". Do it every week for as long as you want your site in the index. Then bask in the beauty of those wacky uptime graphs - impress your friends and family! Basically, their own documentation states that they only count sites that are submitted and are actively re-submitted. I did it only once, and within a month or two I disappeared into the ethereal vapors of cyberspace... Aaaaiiieee! But thast's OK, as I have no /home right now. (sniff)
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