hi zopistas, I've been wondering how many people use Zope out there. It's not just idle curiosity, a (large) number would help a lot of people, myself included, persuade their heads of department that Zope would be a good thing to adopt, and not just another flash-in-the-pan Open Source product that goes away in a couple of years, leaving an expensive maintenance legacy. Just a ballpark figure would be great. I realise this is hard to determine, as it's a free download from numerous sites. and even if the downloads could be clocked and summed from the various main sources, that wouldn't really give an indication of how many people are actally using it in the industry. And not everyone using Zope will post on this board, although a count of the distinct email addresses from the archives would be useful. Well, here's an idea: one thing that people do buy, regarding Zope is books. If we could add up the sales figures from amazon.com (or contact the publishers if the figures aren't publicly available) for the main popular zope books, and compare it to the main popular books of another product on a similar technical level, where the population *is* known, say a commercial product - then maybe that ballpark figure could be thrown. Sure a lot use just the online docs, but ditto for other products. Does anyone know the user numbers for anything like, say, Websphere? ...or is that just a silly idea? :) Ben Avery ben@thesite.org _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Hi- Perhaps you mean something like the Netcraft web server survey. http://www.netcraft.net/Survey/Reports/0211/ 11,607 servers were running Zope on November 1, out of about 3 million. Hope this helps, --Quentin On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Ben Avery wrote:
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 00:40:35 +0000 From: Ben Avery <ben_avery@hotmail.com> To: zope@zope.org Subject: [Zope] zope user numbers
hi zopistas,
I've been wondering how many people use Zope out there. It's not just idle curiosity, a (large) number would help a lot of people, myself included, persuade their heads of department that Zope would be a good thing to adopt, and not just another flash-in-the-pan Open Source product that goes away in a couple of years, leaving an expensive maintenance legacy. Just a ballpark figure would be great.
I realise this is hard to determine, as it's a free download from numerous sites. and even if the downloads could be clocked and summed from the various main sources, that wouldn't really give an indication of how many people are actally using it in the industry. And not everyone using Zope will post on this board, although a count of the distinct email addresses from the archives would be useful.
Well, here's an idea: one thing that people do buy, regarding Zope is books. If we could add up the sales figures from amazon.com (or contact the publishers if the figures aren't publicly available) for the main popular zope books, and compare it to the main popular books of another product on a similar technical level, where the population *is* known, say a commercial product - then maybe that ballpark figure could be thrown. Sure a lot use just the online docs, but ditto for other products. Does anyone know the user numbers for anything like, say, Websphere? ...or is that just a silly idea? :)
Ben Avery ben@thesite.org
that's a nice number. I wonder how many are running behind Apache, though - those wouldn't be accounted for there. it could be twice the number. anyone like to hazard a guess (of what percent of Zopes are running behind Apache?) Quentin Smith wrote:
Hi- Perhaps you mean something like the Netcraft web server survey. http://www.netcraft.net/Survey/Reports/0211/ 11,607 servers were running Zope on November 1, out of about 3 million. Hope this helps, --Quentin
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Ben Avery wrote:
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 00:40:35 +0000 From: Ben Avery <ben_avery@hotmail.com> To: zope@zope.org Subject: [Zope] zope user numbers
hi zopistas,
I've been wondering how many people use Zope out there. It's not just idle curiosity, a (large) number would help a lot of people, myself included, persuade their heads of department that Zope would be a good thing to adopt, and not just another flash-in-the-pan Open Source product that goes away in a couple of years, leaving an expensive maintenance legacy. Just a ballpark figure would be great.
I realise this is hard to determine, as it's a free download from numerous sites. and even if the downloads could be clocked and summed from the various main sources, that wouldn't really give an indication of how many people are actally using it in the industry. And not everyone using Zope will post on this board, although a count of the distinct email addresses from the archives would be useful.
Well, here's an idea: one thing that people do buy, regarding Zope is books. If we could add up the sales figures from amazon.com (or contact the publishers if the figures aren't publicly available) for the main popular zope books, and compare it to the main popular books of another product on a similar technical level, where the population *is* known, say a commercial product - then maybe that ballpark figure could be thrown. Sure a lot use just the online docs, but ditto for other products. Does anyone know the user numbers for anything like, say, Websphere? ...or is that just a silly idea? :)
Ben Avery ben@thesite.org
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Ben Avery wrote:
that's a nice number. I wonder how many are running behind Apache, though - those wouldn't be accounted for there.
I don't think so, at least I know for a fact that netcraft can see zope even if it is behind apache in proxy mode. Look up e.g. www.zope.com to see for yourself. Zope sends the Server header, which apache doesn't rewrite if it isn't explicitly told so. cheers, oliver
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