Oh and you need to:

import Products

for it to work ;-)

thanks. heh. i also spent alot of yesterday trying to figure out how to add DTMLMethods to my product so they appeared in the contents (so to be 'default' DTMLMethods that the user can override). i came up with something like: DTMLMethod.addDTMLMethod(self,'index_html','',open(os.path.join(Common.package_home(globals()),'dtml/index_html_Forum.dtml'))) there must be an easier way, but i don't know it. is there any way to wrap the created message in my class' aquisition space (i am not sure of the correct term)? -bob