Hey everyone. I'd like to suggest a cleanup of the how-tos area. Please!!! I just visited there, looking for some basic info, and got totally sidetracked with all the out of date confusing and otherwise broken how-tos. Luckily, I know enough to realize that they are just out of date, but I feel bad for newbies that run across them. It makes zope look bad when a how to doesn't work. Maybe we can make an archive of old ones or something??? Thoughts? Does this bother anyone else? -ed-
Right. I've been given the task of organizing the HowTos into something reasonable as part of the effort to migrate to the "new" Zope.org. I doubt it will happen any time soon, however, as we lack the requisite resources to review each HowTo for relevance at the moment, although it's somewhere on the radar (very, very far away). If anybody wants to volunteer to "vett" all published HowTos for accuracy, I would accept donations of time greedily. - C Ed Colmar wrote:
Hey everyone.
I'd like to suggest a cleanup of the how-tos area. Please!!!
I just visited there, looking for some basic info, and got totally sidetracked with all the out of date confusing and otherwise broken how-tos. Luckily, I know enough to realize that they are just out of date, but I feel bad for newbies that run across them. It makes zope look bad when a how to doesn't work.
Maybe we can make an archive of old ones or something???
Thoughts?
Does this bother anyone else?
-ed-
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Hi, I suggested some time a go that we divided the HOW-TOs into different sections, (more fine grained than now) and then again "promoted" volunteers in the community to manage the different how-tos and on a regular basis. I.e. go through all the old how-tos and check for consistensy with newer versions of Zope & related Products. It should not be too much job. The idea is not that each "section manager" should update the how-tos, but inform the author that things have changed and that the how-to either should be updated or removed. Best regards Petter Enholm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@zope.com> To: "Ed Colmar" <ed@greengraphics.net> Cc: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] outdated how-tos
Right. I've been given the task of organizing the HowTos into something reasonable as part of the effort to migrate to the "new" Zope.org. I doubt it will happen any time soon, however, as we lack the requisite resources to review each HowTo for relevance at the moment, although it's somewhere on the radar (very, very far away). If anybody wants to volunteer to "vett" all published HowTos for accuracy, I would accept donations of time greedily.
- C
That's a good idea. But for now, we need to do it the "hard way" because we don't have tools to support this delegation nor the time to build them, and we have lots of stale content laying around that needs to be checked for accuracy. I suggest that if folks would like to help they post a list of HowTos they intend to review like so (so folks don't duplicate effort): http://www.zope.org/Members/peterb/xml-rpc http://www.zope.org/Members/hawkfish/zpt_list_files Then when you're able to review them, post a yea or nay vote for each HowTo: http://www.zope.org/Members/peterb/xml-rpc OK http://www.zope.org/Members/hawkfish/zpt_list_files NO (these are just examples) I will compile the lists and "hide" any HowTos that get nay votes, emailing the author with a request to update the HowTo. Petter Enholm wrote:
Hi,
I suggested some time a go that we divided the HOW-TOs into different sections, (more fine grained than now) and then again "promoted" volunteers in the community to manage the different how-tos and on a regular basis. I.e. go through all the old how-tos and check for consistensy with newer versions of Zope & related Products.
It should not be too much job. The idea is not that each "section manager" should update the how-tos, but inform the author that things have changed and that the how-to either should be updated or removed.
Best regards Petter Enholm
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@zope.com> To: "Ed Colmar" <ed@greengraphics.net> Cc: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] outdated how-tos
Right. I've been given the task of organizing the HowTos into something reasonable as part of the effort to migrate to the "new" Zope.org. I doubt it will happen any time soon, however, as we lack the requisite resources to review each HowTo for relevance at the moment, although it's somewhere on the radar (very, very far away). If anybody wants to volunteer to "vett" all published HowTos for accuracy, I would accept donations of time greedily.
- C
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www.my-zope.org Wow, a how-to listing that is readable!!! Thank you! Thank you! So, I was going to go through and add some ratings for the how-tos that I was familiar with. How does the ranking sytem work? 1 is good or bad? As an aside, this site is synchronized with zope.org? -ed-
On Wednesday 17 April 2002 04:00 am, Ed Colmar wrote:
www.my-zope.org
Wow, a how-to listing that is readable!!! Thank you! Thank you!
So, I was going to go through and add some ratings for the how-tos that I was familiar with.
How does the ranking sytem work? 1 is good or bad?
usually, 5 is good, 1 is not so.. like two thumbs up is better than one ;) note to self: put that somewhere in the page.
As an aside, this site is synchronized with zope.org?
sorta. it's not done automatically yet. will try and automate this soon, if i can.
-ed-
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hmmm.. On www.my-zope.org some of the how-tos are corrupt. Mine in particular... compare: http://www.my-zope.org/HowtosRating/20020109155937 http://www.zope.org/Members/element/Simple_SQL_Page_Counter all of the <dtml ...> calls are completely removed. I noticed it is not this way with all of them. What is the difference? Very strange. -ed-
Chris McDonough wrote:
it's somewhere on the radar (very, very far away). If anybody wants to volunteer to "vett" all published HowTos for accuracy, I would accept donations of time greedily.
What kind of vetting are you looking for? A simple yay/nay, a 1 to 10? Depending on what it is, I'd be happy to throw some time at it... cheers, Chris
A simple yay/nay for each HowTo URL would be fine. The ones that don't get a "yay" would be marked as private in the new zope.org setup and I'd send a mail to the author. Chris Withers wrote:
Chris McDonough wrote:
it's somewhere on the radar (very, very far away). If anybody wants to volunteer to "vett" all published HowTos for accuracy, I would accept donations of time greedily.
What kind of vetting are you looking for? A simple yay/nay, a 1 to 10? Depending on what it is, I'd be happy to throw some time at it...
cheers,
Chris
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On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 03:10:23 -0400 Chris McDonough <chrism@zope.com> wrote:
A simple yay/nay for each HowTo URL would be fine. The ones that don't get a "yay" would be marked as private in the new zope.org setup and I'd send a mail to the author.
Ratings would nice and would give more accurate infos. Everything on zope.org should have the ability to be commented. Then it would be nice to be able to sort search results based on ratings ;) my 0.02 euros -- Philippe Jadin 123piano.com
On Tuesday 16 April 2002 05:19 pm, Philippe Jadin wrote:
Ratings would nice and would give more accurate infos. Everything on zope.org should have the ability to be commented. Then it would be nice to be able to sort search results based on ratings ;)
my 0.02 euros
that's coming soon in the form of new.zope.org, or zope.org part deux :) meanwhile, anybody can rate, comment, and search products and howtos here .. http://www.my-zope.org/ -- http://www.kedai.com.my/ http://www.kedai.com.my/eZine http://www.zope.org/Members/kedai http://www.my-zope.org How can I laugh tomorrow, if i can't even smile today.
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