ATTENTION: Zope.org migration issues
Hello to all Members of Zope.org, As some of you may know, we are hard at work building a new Zope.Org website based entirely on the CMF. Because this is going to be a completely new server, content on the current server has to be migrated and converted for the new site. Most of the content on Zope.org can be migrated quite easily. However, there are a few content types in use on Zope.org that cannot or will not be migrated directly or at all. These types will have to be converted to another content type if they are to be migrated to the new site. You only have to worry about content in your own Member Folder, and only if you really want it migrated. Here are the problem types and what to do with the content they represent: - DTML Method: paste the contents into a 'STX Document' for structured text, or 'Formatted Document' for html formatting. DTML scripting will no longer be supperted on the new Zope.org site. - XML Document: XML Document is usually used to act as the source for a end-document. Render the end-document view to HTML and paste the result into a Formatted Document - ZTopic: Unfortunately, there is no alternative for migrating a ZTopic. If you have created a ZTopic in your Member Folder and feel that it provides value to Zope.org visitors let me know and I'll see if we can provide an alternative. -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@zope.com | Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ ---------------------------------------------
How long do we have to do this, call me paranoid but I want to backup my stuff... Cheers. -- Andy McKay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Pieters" <mj@zope.com> To: <zope-announce@zope.org> Cc: <zope@zope.org>; <zope-web@zope.org> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 1:46 PM Subject: [Zope] ATTENTION: Zope.org migration issues
Hello to all Members of Zope.org,
As some of you may know, we are hard at work building a new Zope.Org website based entirely on the CMF. Because this is going to be a completely new server, content on the current server has to be migrated and converted for the new site.
Most of the content on Zope.org can be migrated quite easily. However, there are a few content types in use on Zope.org that cannot or will not be migrated directly or at all. These types will have to be converted to another content type if they are to be migrated to the new site.
You only have to worry about content in your own Member Folder, and only if you really want it migrated. Here are the problem types and what to do with the content they represent:
- DTML Method: paste the contents into a 'STX Document' for structured text, or 'Formatted Document' for html formatting. DTML scripting will no longer be supperted on the new Zope.org site.
- XML Document: XML Document is usually used to act as the source for a end-document. Render the end-document view to HTML and paste the result into a Formatted Document
- ZTopic: Unfortunately, there is no alternative for migrating a ZTopic. If you have created a ZTopic in your Member Folder and feel that it provides value to Zope.org visitors let me know and I'll see if we can provide an alternative.
-- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@zope.com | Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ ---------------------------------------------
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On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 02:04:56PM -0700, Andy McKay wrote:
How long do we have to do this, call me paranoid but I want to backup my stuff...
Sorry, my bad. The current schedule calls for the final switchover during the second week of october. -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@zope.com | Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ ---------------------------------------------
Martijn Pieters <mj@zope.com> writes:
- DTML Method: paste the contents into a 'STX Document' for structured text, or 'Formatted Document' for html formatting. DTML scripting will no longer be supperted on the new Zope.org site.
Currently, only "Formatted Document" seems to be available, but it supports STX as well as HTML docs. What happens to DTML Documents? Same as DTML Methods? I converted some docs and ended up with "Not found"-errors, I had to manually add index_html to the path to the page. (formatted document /Members/snej/foo must be referenced as /Members/snej/foo/index_html). This makes it difficult to replace e.g. index_html by Formatted_Documents. regards, jens
Martijn Pieters <mj@zope.com> writes:
- DTML Method: paste the contents into a 'STX Document' for structured text, or 'Formatted Document' for html formatting. DTML scripting will no longer be supperted on the new Zope.org site.
Currently, only "Formatted Document" seems to be available, but it supports STX as well as HTML docs.
What happens to DTML Documents? Same as DTML Methods?
I converted some docs and ended up with "Not found"-errors, I had to manually add index_html to the path to the page. (formatted document /Members/snej/foo must be referenced as /Members/snej/foo/index_html). This makes it difficult to replace e.g. index_html by Formatted_Documents.
DTML Documents are converted to CMF Documents; any DTML contained will not be executed. So you could use a DTML Document for index_html. -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@zope.com | Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ ---------------------------------------------
On Friday 21 September 2001 01:46 pm, Martijn Pieters wrote:
Hello to all Members of Zope.org,
As some of you may know, we are hard at work building a new Zope.Org website based entirely on the CMF. Because this is going to be a completely new server, content on the current server has to be migrated and converted for the new site.
Most of the content on Zope.org can be migrated quite easily. However, there are a few content types in use on Zope.org that cannot or will not be migrated directly or at all. These types will have to be converted to another content type if they are to be migrated to the new site.
what if we have valued added content for the zope community that depends on dtml functionality. for example i have a mozilla sidebar that depends on being able to query the site index for recent news items? or if i was going to make a xml file with product info? will these types of things be supported by dc? on a side note, i vaguely remember discussion of this a few months ago, but i can't recall if this is being done because of actual problems with the existing setup or soley to show off the cmf? in other words why? does this mean in a nutshell that all content is being dumbed down into stx type of documents and default cmf content objects with the exception of products.
You only have to worry about content in your own Member Folder, and only if you really want it migrated. Here are the problem types and what to do with the content they represent:
is there going to be some automated conversion of existing content or unless people act now their documents will disappear? what about Wikis? concerned, kapil
First, as Martijn noted, we can work with people on a case-by-case basis when they're providing something important that involves more serious programming. However, providing *everybody* programmatic capability (DTML scripting, etc.) isn't the default we'd like to shoot for. Regarding STX, you can also write content in HTML. Regarding why this is being done, there are definate problems with the current site. It's based on totally orphaned Zope products, external methods, etc. Getting this onto the CMF is an attempt to give the site a stronger concept of content management and get it atop a codebase that is in active development. There is a migration facility that does the conversion, which applies to Wikis as well. It's only for a very small subset of the content that has DTML scripting in it that we need to work individually with people. --Paul kapil thangavelu wrote:
On Friday 21 September 2001 01:46 pm, Martijn Pieters wrote:
Hello to all Members of Zope.org,
As some of you may know, we are hard at work building a new Zope.Org website based entirely on the CMF. Because this is going to be a completely new server, content on the current server has to be migrated and converted for the new site.
Most of the content on Zope.org can be migrated quite easily. However, there are a few content types in use on Zope.org that cannot or will not be migrated directly or at all. These types will have to be converted to another content type if they are to be migrated to the new site.
what if we have valued added content for the zope community that depends on dtml functionality. for example i have a mozilla sidebar that depends on being able to query the site index for recent news items? or if i was going to make a xml file with product info? will these types of things be supported by dc?
on a side note, i vaguely remember discussion of this a few months ago, but i can't recall if this is being done because of actual problems with the existing setup or soley to show off the cmf? in other words why?
does this mean in a nutshell that all content is being dumbed down into stx type of documents and default cmf content objects with the exception of products.
You only have to worry about content in your own Member Folder, and only if you really want it migrated. Here are the problem types and what to do with the content they represent:
is there going to be some automated conversion of existing content or unless people act now their documents will disappear?
what about Wikis?
concerned,
kapil
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- DTML Method: paste the contents into a 'STX Document' for structured text, or 'Formatted Document' for html formatting. DTML scripting will no longer be supperted on the new Zope.org site.
Will Python Script or ZPT scripting be supported for Members of the new site?
- ZTopic: Unfortunately, there is no alternative for migrating a ZTopic. If you have created a ZTopic in your Member Folder and feel that it provides value to Zope.org visitors let me know and I'll see if we can provide an alternative.
Eh? No CMF Topic available?! cheers, Chris
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Martijn Pieters -
Paul Everitt