Hi Martijn and others.

I don't see anything I like better, but have a nagging worry that Zope, and especially Zope 2, may become increasingly neglected as time goes by.

I have to say +1 on this one. We still use Zope 2 for most of our projects, as the software is stable, mature and if you know how it works you can do anyhting with it, and you can do it very fast. I'm very pleased that some older products (including our own) from 5 or 6 year ago still work in the latest zope version, sometimes with some minor adjustments. But the core of Zope 2 has changed a lot, while still being compatible as much as possible. I think the Zope 2 developers and release manager(s) deserve a lot of credits and respect for that. But it's since Five that there is some active development happening on this platform. (And offcourse not to forget the need for Plone to have zope3 technologies available). Cleanup and some refactoring has been done, and some Products are now part of the core. You an find most of the documentation in interfaces files right now which is a good thing offcourse, and you can use zope3 technologies if you like, a much cleaner way of development then old skool Zope 2 products. I don't think the problem is activity on the Zope 2 front itself, but the community website zope.org which should convey this message of a mature Zope 2 platform with the availability of new technologies. But now it's a dead, outdated website which I think is sad because it's not reflecting what is actually happening.

This sounds like something that could be potentially interesting for new new zope.org, which is currently in development

So that's why I mention this quote : Martijn, I'm very curious about the status, plan or purpose of the new zope.org? I think if the new site gets rid of all the outdated stuff, learn from the plone.org website (or even use it as a boiler plate, they really did a great job I think), include some nice documentation based on tutorials like http://slinkp.com/~paul/pycon_2006/z2/notes.html and http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/five-zope3-walkthrough, for example (Phillip has some nice tutorials as well) it would feel so much better for all the Zope 2 developers who are still out there, and for the new developers who want to use it, but now have the feeling that Zope 2 is a dead end. -- Martijn Jacobs Four Digits, Internet Solutions a: Willemsplein 15-1 6811 KB Arnhem NL e-mail: martijn@fourdigits.nl | web: http://www.fourdigits.nl tel: +31 (0)26 44 22 700 | fax: +31 (0)84 22 06 117