I've been using version 0.6 and will upgrade to 0.7.2 shortly. Let me know if you've already encountered this and fixed it. Some of my users insist on using WindowsXP Home and IE. The external editor fails. Running the helper application standalone works fine. Runing Firefox as the browser works fine after a bit of fancy twostepping to get it configured. The diagnostic from IE is FATAL ERROR: [Errorno 2] No such file or directory: 'C:\\Documents and Settings\\joe\\Local Settings\\Temporary Internet Files\\Content.IE5\\11Q3QMRM\MyTest[1].zope' which appears to be a bad path in the helper application. I believe that the correct path is ...\\Local Settings\\Temp\\Temporary Internet Files\\..
So, it appears that there is an incompatibility in the file names. At least under Python 2.3.3 mktemp() generates a file name pointing to the mktemp('foo') generates a file path in the TEMP directory rather than TEMP\\Temporary Internet Files directory where the application looks. I'm still trying to figure out how the names get our of sync. The temp_dir option may be a possible workaround for the moment. I did note, in the code, that it uses os.tempnam() which is a potential security risk. Is there a bug tracker for the ExternalEditor? If there is, I'll write up a formal bug report. On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Dennis Allison wrote:
I've been using version 0.6 and will upgrade to 0.7.2 shortly. Let me know if you've already encountered this and fixed it.
Some of my users insist on using WindowsXP Home and IE. The external editor fails. Running the helper application standalone works fine. Runing Firefox as the browser works fine after a bit of fancy twostepping to get it configured.
The diagnostic from IE is
FATAL ERROR: [Errorno 2] No such file or directory: 'C:\\Documents and Settings\\joe\\Local Settings\\Temporary Internet Files\\Content.IE5\\11Q3QMRM\MyTest[1].zope'
which appears to be a bad path in the helper application. I believe that the correct path is ...\\Local Settings\\Temp\\Temporary Internet Files\\..
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On Sat, Jul 10, 2004, Dennis Allison wrote:
I've been using version 0.6 and will upgrade to 0.7.2 shortly. Let me know if you've already encountered this and fixed it.
Some of my users insist on using WindowsXP Home and IE. The external editor fails. Running the helper application standalone works fine. Runing Firefox as the browser works fine after a bit of fancy twostepping to get it configured.
You might give these Internet Exploder users a dose of reality. I've referenced several recent notices on IE recently: http://www.celestial.com/Security/Windows/News_Item.2004-06-30.2399900668 Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It is our duty still to endeavor to avoid war; but if it shall actually take place, no matter by whom brought on, we must defend ourselves. If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it.'' -- Thomas Jefferson to James Lewis, Jr., 1798.
I have, but to no avail. IE is what most of our installed base uses and so all our rendering is biased towards IE. On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Bill Campbell wrote:
On Sat, Jul 10, 2004, Dennis Allison wrote:
I've been using version 0.6 and will upgrade to 0.7.2 shortly. Let me know if you've already encountered this and fixed it.
Some of my users insist on using WindowsXP Home and IE. The external editor fails. Running the helper application standalone works fine. Runing Firefox as the browser works fine after a bit of fancy twostepping to get it configured.
You might give these Internet Exploder users a dose of reality. I've referenced several recent notices on IE recently:
http://www.celestial.com/Security/Windows/News_Item.2004-06-30.2399900668
Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/
``It is our duty still to endeavor to avoid war; but if it shall actually take place, no matter by whom brought on, we must defend ourselves. If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it.'' -- Thomas Jefferson to James Lewis, Jr., 1798. _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
On Sat, Jul 10, 2004, Dennis Allison wrote:
I have, but to no avail. IE is what most of our installed base uses and so all our rendering is biased towards IE.
I've had good results by showing people how tabs work in Mozilla, Opera, etc.,
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Bill Campbell wrote:
On Sat, Jul 10, 2004, Dennis Allison wrote:
I've been using version 0.6 and will upgrade to 0.7.2 shortly. Let me know if you've already encountered this and fixed it.
Some of my users insist on using WindowsXP Home and IE. The external editor fails. Running the helper application standalone works fine. Runing Firefox as the browser works fine after a bit of fancy twostepping to get it configured.
You might give these Internet Exploder users a dose of reality. I've referenced several recent notices on IE recently:
http://www.celestial.com/Security/Windows/News_Item.2004-06-30.2399900668
Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/
``It is our duty still to endeavor to avoid war; but if it shall actually take place, no matter by whom brought on, we must defend ourselves. If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it.'' -- Thomas Jefferson to James Lewis, Jr., 1798. _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
-- Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``People who relieve others of their money with guns are called robbers. It does not alter the immorality of the act when the income transfer is carried out by government.''
That's not the problem... it's the fonts and the look. IE does a somewhat better job of layout. And it supports non-standard stuff which people use... )-: On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Bill Campbell wrote:
On Sat, Jul 10, 2004, Dennis Allison wrote:
I have, but to no avail. IE is what most of our installed base uses and so all our rendering is biased towards IE.
I've had good results by showing people how tabs work in Mozilla, Opera, etc.,
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Bill Campbell wrote:
On Sat, Jul 10, 2004, Dennis Allison wrote:
I've been using version 0.6 and will upgrade to 0.7.2 shortly. Let me know if you've already encountered this and fixed it.
Some of my users insist on using WindowsXP Home and IE. The external editor fails. Running the helper application standalone works fine. Runing Firefox as the browser works fine after a bit of fancy twostepping to get it configured.
You might give these Internet Exploder users a dose of reality. I've referenced several recent notices on IE recently:
http://www.celestial.com/Security/Windows/News_Item.2004-06-30.2399900668
Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/
``It is our duty still to endeavor to avoid war; but if it shall actually take place, no matter by whom brought on, we must defend ourselves. If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it.'' -- Thomas Jefferson to James Lewis, Jr., 1798. _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
-- Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/
``People who relieve others of their money with guns are called robbers. It does not alter the immorality of the act when the income transfer is carried out by government.'' _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 02:49:56PM -0700, Dennis Allison wrote:
That's not the problem... it's the fonts and the look. IE does a somewhat better job of layout. And it supports non-standard stuff which people use... )-:
Are you kidding us? Use w3.org standards and you will see how "wonderful" IE is: full of things to wonder about...
On Sat, Jul 10, 2004, Dennis Allison wrote:
I have, but to no avail. IE is what most of our installed base uses and so all our rendering is biased towards IE.
It should be biased towards www.w3.org -- 暮 Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning -- Isaiah 5:11
Bodgen -- I quite agree that IE is a poor "standard" to target, but the reality is that it is the browser in place in somthing like 95% of the seats of our users. It departs from w3 standards. The result is, sad top say, that we must support it in preference to w3-compliant systems. On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, Bogdan M. Maryniuck wrote:
On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 02:49:56PM -0700, Dennis Allison wrote:
That's not the problem... it's the fonts and the look. IE does a somewhat better job of layout. And it supports non-standard stuff which people use... )-:
Are you kidding us? Use w3.org standards and you will see how "wonderful" IE is: full of things to wonder about...
On Sat, Jul 10, 2004, Dennis Allison wrote:
I have, but to no avail. IE is what most of our installed base uses and so all our rendering is biased towards IE.
It should be biased towards www.w3.org
-- 暮
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On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 08:56:55AM -0700, Dennis Allison wrote:
Bodgen -- I quite agree that IE is a poor "standard" to target, but the reality is that it is the browser in place in somthing like 95% of the seats of our users. It departs from w3 standards. The result is, sad top say, that we must support it in preference to w3-compliant systems.
No. Well, I monitoring this thread and would not like to flamebait here. And, Dennis, I really would not like to offend you, but I have to say for while people will think like you, than 95% of people (including *you*) will suffer from stupid software been lobbied through. I _agree_ for we need to _test_ our stuff how it looks like on MSIE. But I found that MSIE stuff looks well only when you use old HTML 3 with <FONT>, <CENTER> stuff, or XHTML with Microsoft non-standard features. But both are sux. Please answer mostly to yourself: - Why you still would like to receive strict RFC822 e-mail messages while Outlook*.* supports lots of uncodumented non-standard things? Instead, your mailfilters are screaming and tries to de-mime and de-html messages, then message gets spam marked... - Why you use pure XSL, not MS-XSL (sure, if you use)? - Why you would like to use ECMAScript, but hell not VBScript or JScript in your projects? - Then is CSS2 or HTML4 or XHTML1 worse from stuff I had listed above? OTOH, I found when I made my projects (for _bankers_, BTW) with only W3C standards (and Alpha Channel in PNG's, mwhahahaha!), then I can confirm that: - Count of visitors was not less - Mozilla/Opera/Firefox currently are ~86% in our statistics (it was big surprise for me either!) - None of screaming from users, like "this <censored/> shows me wrong" or "page not loaded, because of error in advanced undocumented JavaScript DOM3 feature which tries to highlight copyright message of above of the page". - People usually say: "Well, we found how beautiful system looks like in Mozilla and how ugly in MSIE. Then we desired to install Mozilla..." ;-) - You have less pain while something looks wrong: all browsers are buggy. You just support standards. Well, common standards, usually... Instead, we have other projects, which are supports MSIE and Mozilla separatedly. I would not like to tell you HOW MUCH pain developers have to support both! And funny that nor Opera 7.51, neither Konqueror 3.3 even does not works there. But you still can use my projects even from PDA's, Links, ELinks, Lynx, w3m or whatever with no user scream. Finally, MSIE with its undocumented technology-bastards from M$ could not be that bad if it could be: - Secure - Crossplatform - RFC and W3C recommendations support - Opensource But yet we have Firefox already which fits on these requirements. -- 暮 Oh, and we just set fire to your desktop.
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