The Zope Starship (for Python PSA)
I Followed the URL backward from: Michel Pelletier's "You've Not Mail !!!" Page, http://starship.python.net:9673/crew/furtrapper/NotMail Hey, this is neat, starship.python.net must be running ZOPE because the port is "9673" !!! therefore going to: http://starship.python.net:9673 "Welcome to Zope at the Starship Python!" So, to join the crew of the Starship and get your own ZOPE pages on the internet requires PSA membership. One can join now and pay for a half year $50/yr or $25 for half. Membership wouldn't be effective until April 1st (a Foolish day!) So, Zope is cool and so is Python. I am considering joining PSA on the strength of Zope and Elegance of Python but I'm concerned that Python doesn't seem to have much "MindShare" like Java or Perl. Ok so our local Borders has only one book on Python: "Programming Python" by Mark Lutz (Pub: O'Reilly) A great book that is dated 1996. The shelves are full of books on Java and there are quite a few Perl books. What is the BIG PICTURE here? Is Python so good that lot of programming tomes are unnecessary? Why is there so little press on Python and so much for the less Elegant and slower Java? Is Python a "secret weapon"? If so, the secret should get out to the world so Python gets more mind share and doesn't develop cobwebs. ***So, where are the rabid Python fans?*** Yes, a bunch of them are on the ZOPE list. Great answers to these questions will only help ZOPE! -bobo connor
Robert OConnor wrote:
What is the BIG PICTURE here? Is Python so good that lot of programming tomes are unnecessary?
As a language qua language, Python is so good in design and implementation that it has few dark mysteries that require a lot of documentation to explain. The existing Python books are quite good, with at least 4 more in the works. More Python books are necessary to explain things like Win32/COM programming, for instance, than the language itself. Perl has lots of books, because for the past 2 years, almost anything that offered to make Perl programming easy was given shelf space. Java has lots of books because almost everything in Java has to be written in Java, and the Java libraries have been a moving target for so long. More important than the number of books (how many Perl books do you really need, after the Camel?) is the level of support/platforms in the Python community, which is quite high. It will probably never attain the proportion of mindshare that Perl or Java has, but is has critical mass, and a lot of compentent people who contribute code. Too many companies now rely upon Python as their core development language for it to go away anytime soon. More importantly: You'll spend more time learning about the eccentricities of whatever your environment demands, be it Unix, Windows, web servers, CE devices, COM, Tk, etc. than learning the language itself. This is Python's great (and under-reported) strength. Best regards, Jeff Bauer Rubicon, Inc.
Ok so our local Borders has only one book on Python: "Programming Python" by Mark Lutz (Pub: O'Reilly) A great book that is dated 1996. The shelves are full of books on Java and there are quite a few Perl books.
FYI: I know of at least 5 other Python-related book projects in various stages of development. One of those should be hitting those same shelves in April sometime (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lpython/). It even mentions Zope in a couple of places. [Disclosure: I'm a coauthor of said book]
What is the BIG PICTURE here? Is Python so good that lot of programming tomes are unnecessary?
Python is certainly easier to learn than some other languages.
Why is there so little press on Python and so much for the less Elegant and slower Java?
Mostly, because Java is backed by a multibillion dollar company with lots of $$'s for public relations. --david ObZope: I'm having a hard time with the 'access' file -- it looks as if my Zope installation (w/ ZServer) only accesses the first entry in the file. What am I missing?
On Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 02:41:17PM -0800, David Ascher wrote:
ObZope: I'm having a hard time with the 'access' file -- it looks as if my Zope installation (w/ ZServer) only accesses the first entry in the file. What am I missing?
THis is completely correct. The access file is ONLY for the global-overall-uberuser :-) Everything else should be defined in the database itself :-) Chris -- | Christopher Petrilli ``Television is bubble-gum for | petrilli@amber.org the mind.''-Frank Lloyd Wright
On Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 02:41:17PM -0800, David Ascher wrote:
ObZope: I'm having a hard time with the 'access' file -- it looks as if my Zope installation (w/ ZServer) only accesses the first entry in the file. What am I missing?
THis is completely correct. The access file is ONLY for the global-overall-uberuser :-) Everything else should be defined in the database itself :-)
Note that you could, pretty easily, write a new UserFolder type object which worked off an access file. Could be useful for people who are generating the access file from an /etc/passwd file, or whatever. Anthony
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