ANNOUNCE: Zope 2.3.0 beta 1 released
Hello all, Zope 2.3.0 beta 1 is now available. You can download it from Zope.org: http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.3.0b1/ This release contains the final new features for 2.3, including: - A browser preferences screen to allow people to tweak certain aspects of the new management UI to their liking. For the folks who complained that they didn't like the new top frame, they can (among other things) turn it off from the browser preferences screen. - Michel and Amos' new QuickStart material. This is different in spirit than the old "QuickStart" folder. The new material is meant as a handy high-level set of pointers to important learning materials. The old "QuickStart" folder is still around by default for the beta release - we will need to decide whether to get rid of it altogether or whether it still has value as an example and should be cleaned up and retained. - The logout function has been implemented in a fairly minimal way. We will try to make this nicer by final if we get time. - Chris Petrilli has cleaned up the ZCatalog interface and done some logical reorganization to move some things onto an Advanced tab. For more information on what is new in this release, see the CHANGES.txt and HISTORY.txt files for the release: - http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.3.0b1/CHANGES.txt - http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.3.0b1/HISTORY.txt Note that now we are in the beta period, so binaries are now available for all of the usual platforms. Enjoy! Brian Lloyd brian@digicool.com Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com
Brian Lloyd wrote:
Zope 2.3.0 beta 1 is now available. You can download it from Zope.org:
...with a Win32 binary... yay! I can start testing :-) Okay, some observations from a Netscape 4.74 user on WinNT about the top frame: - When you view a management screen, the frame is about 5 pixels to small, which cuts off the bottom of the Zope logo. - When you resize the top frame, you get back a load of CSS (but as text and without a content type) This didn't happen in a2. However, neither of those things happen in IE. I should mention that I've seen the 'getting text back instead of content' thing before from Zope, usually in Netscape. The page comes back as just a stream of text, yet if you hit 'reload' it then comes back as it should. Very weird, and not always repeatable, but should I submit a bug on this? That's for the Browser Preferences option :-) It does strike me that this is information about the logged in user, though, so why isn't it stored against the logged in user? It's a pain getting rid of that top frame every time I use the management interface on a different computer ;-) I've mentioned this a few times but have never got a response, so what am I missing? (Of course, if you could provide the API for the browser preferences, everyone else could use it for storing thigns like full name, address, phone number, etc ;-)
- Michel and Amos' new QuickStart material.
Where is this?
- The logout function has been implemented in a fairly minimal way. We will try to make this nicer by final if we get time.
:-) Other than the niggles, it looks great :-) cheers, Chris
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 10:07:30AM +0000, Chris Withers wrote:
- When you resize the top frame, you get back a load of CSS (but as text and without a content type) This didn't happen in a2.
If you switch to inline CSS (instead of linked CSS) this problem will go away. In a2 the inline/linked descision was made for you by using browser sniffing (which isn't very reliable as many people use filtering proxies these days). Netscape 4 is just way broken. I suspect that is also why Netscape sometimes doesn't render a page. -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@digicool.com | Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ ---------------------------------------------
Martijn Pieters wrote:
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 10:07:30AM +0000, Chris Withers wrote:
- When you resize the top frame, you get back a load of CSS (but as text and without a content type) This didn't happen in a2.
If you switch to inline CSS (instead of linked CSS) this problem will go away. In a2 the inline/linked descision was made for you by using browser sniffing (which isn't very reliable as many people use filtering proxies these days).
Netscape 4 is just way broken. I suspect that is also why Netscape sometimes doesn't render a page.
Actually, now the preferences screen has been simplified (oversimplified?) and you can't choose whether to inline or not. You can only turn CSS on and off. :-( But I hope this will soon become a moot point. Go Mozilla! Shane
Shane Hathaway wrote:
But I hope this will soon become a moot point. Go Mozilla!
Hmmm :-( Mozilla has been even more buggy in my experience... Anyone know how Netscape 6 (Mozilla in Netscape clothing ;-) does on stability and reliability? cheers, Chris
Chris, It's worse, Mozilla 0.7 also has some issues, Mozilla 0.6 is probably the best so far. I use it as my main browser. You might also want to check out the Beonex Communicator (based on Mozilla, but with bug/security fixes) http://www.beonex.com. hth Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com> To: "Shane Hathaway" <shane@digicool.com> Cc: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] OT: Browsers
Shane Hathaway wrote:
But I hope this will soon become a moot point. Go Mozilla!
Hmmm :-( Mozilla has been even more buggy in my experience...
Anyone know how Netscape 6 (Mozilla in Netscape clothing ;-) does on stability and reliability?
cheers,
Chris
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On Thursday 18 January 2001 21:23, Phil Harris wrote:
Chris,
It's worse, Mozilla 0.7 also has some issues, Mozilla 0.6 is probably the best so far.
I use it as my main browser.
You might also want to check out the Beonex Communicator (based on Mozilla, but with bug/security fixes) http://www.beonex.com.
I tried to find out some months ago which browser people preferred. Since I worked out how to stop the worst memory leak in NS4.x (disable Java script) it has been usable, but I'd rather more... I want to learn CSS, but it's not possible with a browser that is so broken. Mozilla? Just as bad, and even more bloaty. Netscape 6? No better than Mozilla, really... but that's hardly a suprise. Amaya? Wish it handled frames... HotJava? .................still waiting.......... there's my page! Opera? Almost... almost... Konqeror? Yes... does CSS, HTML (and isn't tollerant of broken HTML), just has a small problem with their Password handling. It's RFC compliant, but not 'user' compliant. (o8 So... I'm still using NS4.75.. and actually thinking IE under Linux wouldn't be such a bad thing...
Phil
Yours not-throwing-the-baby-out-with-the-bathwater, Curtis Maloney
So... I'm still using NS4.75.. and actually thinking IE under Linux wouldn't be such a bad thing...
Likewise... 'cept that IE probably throws open a shedload of handy M$ security problems :-S But hey, Mozilla is open source, so what's stopping all you C(C++?) coders out there getting involved and fixing the problem? The, again, given that DC have got the open source since much better than Netscape, is there any chance they could give them some pointers ;-) cheers, Chris
- When you view a management screen, the frame is about 5 pixels to small, which cuts off the bottom of the Zope logo.
I'm looking into fixing that.
- When you resize the top frame, you get back a load of CSS (but as text and without a content type) This didn't happen in a2.
This is tied up with a known buffer-overrun bug in NS4 - we've added some workarounds that should ameliorate it for b2.
That's for the Browser Preferences option :-) It does strike me that this is information about the logged in user, though, so why isn't it stored against the logged in user? It's a pain getting rid of that top frame every time I use the management interface on a different computer ;-) I've mentioned this a few times but have never got a response, so what am I missing? (Of course, if you could provide the API for the browser preferences, everyone else could use it for storing thigns like full name, address, phone number, etc ;-)
These are actually browser preferences, not user preferences. For example, the prefs I set at home on my nice hi-res laptop will be different than those I have set on my work machine for things like textarea size preferences. We are specifically *not* trying to do 'user' preferences. Brian Lloyd brian@digicool.com Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 04:00:57PM -0500, Brian Lloyd wrote:
- When you view a management screen, the frame is about 5 pixels to small, which cuts off the bottom of the Zope logo.
I'm looking into fixing that.
This suddenly rings a bell; I remember now that NS4 seems to have a 'grid' system for laying out frames. It snaps to certain sizes, and adding a few pixels plus or minus won't get you a visible change. Sizing of frames can only happen in larger steps. The annoying bit is is that it is damn hard to find the sweetspot - the setting at which both Netscape and IE will use the same frame size. Many a website at my previous employer had it's frames designed to acommodate for this (especially when using bordelress frames). -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@digicool.com | Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ ---------------------------------------------
This suddenly rings a bell; I remember now that NS4 seems to have a 'grid' system for laying out frames. It snaps to certain sizes, and adding a few pixels plus or minus won't get you a visible change. Sizing of frames can only happen in larger steps.
Wow that sucks :-( How does Mozilla/Netscape 6 fare on this?
this (especially when using bordelress frames).
Speaking, of which, how about making that top frame (and maybe the side frame) borderless? The left frame still needs to be resisable, so the boirder may have to stay there... cheers, Chris PS: It's really cool how you actually listened to your users and provided an easy way to change a feature that they didn't like. I still use Office '95 at home 'cos that *&^*&ing paperclip proved so annoying ;-)
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:06:25PM -0000, Chris Withers wrote:
This suddenly rings a bell; I remember now that NS4 seems to have a 'grid' system for laying out frames. It snaps to certain sizes, and adding a few pixels plus or minus won't get you a visible change. Sizing of frames can only happen in larger steps.
Wow that sucks :-(
How does Mozilla/Netscape 6 fare on this?
It doesn't use the same code-base, so I must assume for now it doesn't have the same problem. Enough people have been using it in the early development days to kick up a big fuss if it did. It has been a while since I had to know about these things though.
this (especially when using bordelress frames).
Speaking, of which, how about making that top frame (and maybe the side frame) borderless? The left frame still needs to be resisable, so the boirder may have to stay there...
Half borders are painful to look at, if they can be specified that way in the first place. You don't *need* the border for resizability BTW, but you do need a visual clue there is a border there to grab and move. A contracting frame background could help there.
PS: It's really cool how you actually listened to your users and provided an easy way to change a feature that they didn't like. I still use Office '95 at home 'cos that *&^*&ing paperclip proved so annoying ;-)
You *do* know you can switch the paperclip off, don't you? ;) -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@digicool.com | Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ ---------------------------------------------
Martijn Pieters wrote:
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 04:00:57PM -0500, Brian Lloyd wrote:
- When you view a management screen, the frame is about 5 pixels to small, which cuts off the bottom of the Zope logo.
I'm looking into fixing that.
This suddenly rings a bell; I remember now that NS4 seems to have a 'grid' system for laying out frames. It snaps to certain sizes, and adding a few pixels plus or minus won't get you a visible change. Sizing of frames can only happen in larger steps.
Here's a throrough description of the problem: http://www.builder.com/Authoring/Tagmania/120699/index.html HTH, Michael Bernstein.
I've just tried this last version and I liked it very much. These are two quick UI-related suggestions: - To add a class property for the textarea tag on documentEdit.dtml .... <textarea name="data:text" wrap="off" class="edit-code" style="width: 100%;"<dtml-if dtpref_cols> cols="<dtml-var dtpref_cols>"<dtml-else .... The added "edit-code" class (wich I've defined as Arial 8pt at manage_page_style.css.dtml) avoids me to start Dreamweaver when I need quick reviews of the code, because I just see more characters within the textarea field. - There might be a preference attribute, for wich the "view" link at the manage tab renders or not the page on a new window. Finally something for the wish list: It would be very nice to have a wildcard renaming tool, able to rename wildcarded object names even across different containers. Greetings, Ausum
like textarea size preferences. We are specifically *not* trying to do 'user' preferences.
Ah, now that's what I thought :-) Why not? To be honest, user preferences in this area would be much more useful as I tend to do a lot of work through lots of different virtual hosts and on lots of different Zope instances... having to change the preferences all the time is a pain :-( Sadly, AFAIK, they're not true browser preferences, they're whatever-entity-the-browser-decides-cookies-can-span. For example, if I understand it correctly, I have to set preferences individually on: http://zope.nipltd.com/manage http://www.squishdot.org/manage http://squishdot.org/manage http://www.bay-c.co.uk/manage ...even if they were all running on he same server, and I'm using the same browser and machine to access them :-( If I'm wrong, I'll be very happy ;-) cheers, Chris
like textarea size preferences. We are specifically *not* trying to do 'user' preferences.
Ah, now that's what I thought :-)
Why not?
I'd like to see user properties happen, in fact its part of my BetterUserManagement proposal: http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/BetterUserManagement Its just a question of resources. We don't have enough to get everything we want done immediately. Brian Lloyd brian@digicool.com Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations www.digicool.com
On Thursday 18 January 2001 05:00, Brian Lloyd wrote:
These are actually browser preferences, not user preferences.
can we have enable/disable table view toggle? some of us work with slow dial up, and waiting for a table to be rendered, especially when there's a lot of objects, will take some time. at least, without table, we can have incremental page rendering. most of my users are not a patient lot :) or is it a none issue? -- http://www.kedai.com.my/kk http://www.kedai.com.my/eZine use Zope? then you got HOPE!
These are actually browser preferences, not user preferences. can we have enable/disable table view toggle? some of us work with slow dial up, and waiting for a table to be rendered, especially when there's a lot of objects, will take some time. at least, without table, we can have incremental page rendering. most of my users are not a patient lot :)
or is it a none issue?
I think a more workable idea would be to implement "batching" in the contents view. That won't get in for 2.3 final (we are at feature freeze and need to get the last kinks worked out and a final out), but I would expect that some experience with the new management interface tweaks will generate some other suggestions to make further improvements. We can create a fishbowl project for those and get them into 2.4. Brian Lloyd brian@digicool.com Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations www.digicool.com
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