The layout of www.zope.org is just what I need. How is it done? I mean, the left-hand side with "news items" list below the menu list above, and the right-hand side with top level menu. The "DHTML Source" button only shows the right-hand-side of the page. Sad but true, I'm a newbie. But frankly, seeing what can be done with Zope/Python I've almost wet my pants with excitement. I just need a hook to get started on. I won't admit to having been a huge proponent of TCL (boo, hiss), or that my only experience with html is MS FrontPage... Thanks for any tips.. Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com ICQ: 14856937 We must come down from our heights, and leave our straight paths, for the byways and low places of life, if we would learn truths by strong contrasts; and in hovels, in forecastles, and among our own outcasts in foreign lands, see what has been wrought upon our fellow-creatures by accident, hardship, or vice. - Richard Henry Dana, Jr. 1836