Using 2.1.4 on linux, I have run into the following error: "title is not safe for unpickling" I get this error when I try to rename or delete a particular object in one of my folders. The object itself is troubling because the management interface shows the object to be a folder (the little icon is the folder icon) but it's not a container, I can't get inside of it. Deleting it is impossible, and deleting any PARENT of it is impossible. Although it carries a folder icon, the management tree (at left) does not have a little "+/-" expander box next to it. It is definitely not a true folder. And no, I have no ZClasses or anything like that. We use ZSQL and DTML Methods and DTML Objects, and Mailhosts, and a database connection or two, but nothing more sophisticated than that. I'm attaching an export of the parent folder to this object, as well as an export of the object itself. On my system, the folder "Personal" contains this object named "form_wrapper_wrapper" When form_wrapper_wrapper was originally created, it was a DTML Method. It is no longer a DTML Method, and I can't fathom what has happened to it. "tranalyzer.py" found some problems in the Zope transaction log, and packing the Data.fs made tranalyzer.py happy, but of course did nothing to correct the actual problem. The last entry spit out by tranalyzer.py before the problem had to do with a version I had created. Lately, two rare things have happened, neither of which are an obvious culprit, but they may be worth mentioning: 1) I created, used, and committed a version. I don't do that often, and so having done this so coincidentally in time with the introduction of the error carries some suspicion. The version created did not, however, modify anything near the form_wrapper_wrapper. 2) Another developer has been playing with WebDrive, attempting to access objects on the Zope server. It doesn't appear that 2.1.4 played well with WebDrive and our editor of choice, so WebDrive was dropped for the time being. We have no reason to believe that WebDrive caused any problems, but again, it was on the same day the error was introduced so suspicion is high (though we never accessed form_wrapper_wrapper from WebDrive!) Does anyone have any ideas? Is there some "undocumented" way of destroying a Zope object? When I access the form_wrapper_wrapper object (try to view its contents) I get a Zope error, which has also been attached. The last oddity I've noticed is that when I change the title of the parent folder (Personal), the title changes on BOTH the Personal folder, and the form_wrapper_wrapper thing inside of the Personal folder... hmmmmmmm ? ------------ Brián Withun