newbie zope question -- stuck in quick-start page
Hi, I finally thought I had some time to play w/ zope, but it's turning out to be more confusing than I thought. The install/startup go smoothly (as the documentation says). Oh, I'm running the stable version off of zope.org (not the dev. version) on NT using the command line. But when I click on the root folder, I don't see the tabs as the documentation says I should. And no matter which node I click "under" the root folder, I'm always led to what looks like the "zope quick start" page. And quite obviously I'm still hunting for the add button :) Actually Root Folder/Control_Panel/Products/ZopeTutorial all behave this way.. but when I click on Help "under" the last, I see a listing of help documents. So .. what's wrong? I did check some of the resources on zope.org, but couldn't find anything relevant. Zope looks great.. but I guess I'm having glitches right out of the gate which probably should be in a FAQ someplace?
Sundar Narasimhan wrote:
Hi, I finally thought I had some time to play w/ zope, but it's turning out to be more confusing than I thought.
The install/startup go smoothly (as the documentation says). Oh, I'm running the stable version off of zope.org (not the dev. version) on NT using the command line.
But when I click on the root folder, I don't see the tabs as the documentation says I should. And no matter which node I click "under" the root folder, I'm always led to what looks like the "zope quick start" page. And quite obviously I'm still hunting for the add button :)
Actually Root Folder/Control_Panel/Products/ZopeTutorial all behave this way.. but when I click on Help "under" the last, I see a listing of help documents.
So .. what's wrong? I did check some of the resources on zope.org, but couldn't find anything relevant.
Zope looks great.. but I guess I'm having glitches right out of the gate which probably should be in a FAQ someplace?
You aren't logged in as a manager apparently. Assuming you are using 2.3.0, reset your admin password by cd'ing to your zope directory and executing this: python zpasswd.py -u admin -p password access Substitute whatever password you want. Then close down your browser (all windows) and go to http://localhost:8080/manage. Login as admin with whatever password you chose. Next go the the acl_users folder and add user for yourself with the manager role. Then log out (either close all your browser windows or use the logout command in the top frame) and login as the new user. You should be in business. -- | Casey Duncan | Kaivo, Inc. | cduncan@kaivo.com `------------------>
As an addition to Caseys coments, If your using Win32 with IE and Outlook Express then you'll also need to shutdown OE in certain circumstances. If OE is started after IE then it picks up the security information used in the instance of IE, this is a known problem and can also cause problems. In fact you're probably better closing all programs (you'd be surprised at the number of apps using IE browsing capabilities). Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Casey Duncan" <cduncan@kaivo.com> To: "Sundar Narasimhan" <sundar@ascent.com> Cc: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] newbie zope question -- stuck in quick-start page
Sundar Narasimhan wrote:
Hi, I finally thought I had some time to play w/ zope, but it's turning out to be more confusing than I thought.
The install/startup go smoothly (as the documentation says). Oh, I'm running the stable version off of zope.org (not the dev. version) on NT using the command line.
But when I click on the root folder, I don't see the tabs as the documentation says I should. And no matter which node I click "under" the root folder, I'm always led to what looks like the "zope quick start" page. And quite obviously I'm still hunting for the add button :)
Actually Root Folder/Control_Panel/Products/ZopeTutorial all behave this way.. but when I click on Help "under" the last, I see a listing of help documents.
So .. what's wrong? I did check some of the resources on zope.org, but couldn't find anything relevant.
Zope looks great.. but I guess I'm having glitches right out of the gate which probably should be in a FAQ someplace?
You aren't logged in as a manager apparently. Assuming you are using 2.3.0, reset your admin password by cd'ing to your zope directory and executing this:
python zpasswd.py -u admin -p password access
Substitute whatever password you want. Then close down your browser (all windows) and go to http://localhost:8080/manage. Login as admin with whatever password you chose. Next go the the acl_users folder and add user for yourself with the manager role. Then log out (either close all your browser windows or use the logout command in the top frame) and login as the new user. You should be in business. -- | Casey Duncan | Kaivo, Inc. | cduncan@kaivo.com `------------------>
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Hi, Phil and Casey: My problems turned out to be a problem with several versions of IE (5.0, 5.01 etc.). When I upgraded to the latest 5.5 edition, the problem disappeared. Of course, it makes me a bit nervous about Zope.. (I'm less worried about the fact that it doesn't work on some of these popular versions of browsers than the fact that when the error occurred there was NO information about what was wrong printed out to the console etc. I spent hours trying to change this or that.. and it was only by chance I decided to try nn 4.5 that I had lying around, and was pleasantly surprised when it worked! I wanted to "turn off" the quick-start.. but was told by someone else on the list that this was burnt into zope and couldn't be easily changed. For a system that looks as easily configurable through the mgmt screens as zope is.. that seems like an oversight). But I now have my simple web app going (from start to finish, it took me about a day -- and I didn't know Python or dtml -- in fact, even now I don't think I grok all the complex semantics of dtml-var expr="_.getitem(blah)" very well -- but I now have a web app which is only 2K when exported, and appears reasonably fast for what it does). I'm now trying to add sorting/searching, a guest-book like functionality to some of the folders, and some user management to it. One thing I've been curious about -- I note that several of the pages have a way of limiting output to say 10 items.. and then provides the option for the user to scroll thru the next ten in the next page etc. Is there a simple example that illustrates "the zope way" to do this? ps. Zope is simply put.. fun and quite unlike any other environment I've experienced. The on-the-web development mode takes a while getting used to .. (I'm an old emacs and various IDE kinda person -- and these days I spend a lot of time on VAJ), but it kinda grows on you. pps. One suggestion -- I wonder if anyone has written a frontpage or a web-page like plugin that would appear as a separate tab while you edit your dtml pages.. (i.e. a point-and-click interface rather than having to type your dtml in, click "view" and iterating). Thanks a bunch for a *GREAT* product.
Sundar, Are you using W2K? I've seen the exact same problem with IE5,5.01 on W2K, wouldn't lose the Auth details no matter what I tried, as with you upgrading to IE5.5 solved the problem. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sundar Narasimhan" <sundar@ascent.com> To: <phil.harris@zope.co.uk> Cc: <cduncan@kaivo.com>; <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] newbie zope question -- stuck in quick-start page <big schnip>
Sundar, Are you using W2K? I've seen the exact same problem with IE5,5.01 on W2K, wouldn't lose the Auth details no matter what I tried, as with you upgrading to IE5.5 solved the problem. Actually I saw it on both W2K and WinNT SP4 -- they both had 5.00.x (W2K) and 5.01.x (NT). Upgrading to 5.5 (as you mention) solved the problem. Thanks for your response, btw. This list is pretty amazing, as is Zope!
Hi, Phil and Casey: My problems turned out to be a problem with several versions of IE (5.0, 5.01 etc.).
When I upgraded to the latest 5.5 edition, the problem disappeared.
Of course, it makes me a bit nervous about Zope.. (I'm less worried about the fact that it doesn't work on some of these popular versions of browsers than the fact that when the error occurred there was NO information about what was wrong printed out to the console etc. I spent hours trying to change this or that.. and it was only by chance I decided to try nn 4.5 that I had lying around, and was pleasantly surprised when it worked!
This is particularly annoying from our perspective because that version of IE is just plain *broken*, and working around the problem is nontrivial. But "it's Microsoft" so...
This is particularly annoying from our perspective because that version of IE is just plain *broken*, and working around the problem is nontrivial. But "it's Microsoft" so... Understood. Here's a small suggestion -- I'd do it myself if I knew how. I'd put in a short paragraph (or at least a link to this problem's description) somewhere in the beginner's guide/install documents. Most people will install zope, fire up their browsers, and when they connect be baffled (as I was) when they don't see anything like those management tabs come up. If I'd seen a brief mention to "check your browser version".. it would have saved me a bunch of time.
Understood. Here's a small suggestion -- I'd do it myself if I knew how. I'd put in a short paragraph (or at least a link to this problem's description) somewhere in the beginner's guide/install documents. Most people will install zope, fire up their browsers, and when they connect be baffled (as I was) when they don't see anything like those management tabs come up. If I'd seen a brief mention to "check your browser version".. it would have saved me a bunch of time.
Actually, I'll go in and change the quickstart page myself, this is a good idea, I dont know why I didn't think of it...
What exact versions of IE does this actually happen under? Anybody know? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com> To: "Sundar Narasimhan" <sundar@ascent.com> Cc: <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>; <cduncan@kaivo.com>; <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] newbie zope question -- stuck in quick-start page
Understood. Here's a small suggestion -- I'd do it myself if I knew how. I'd put in a short paragraph (or at least a link to this problem's description) somewhere in the beginner's guide/install documents. Most people will install zope, fire up their browsers, and when they connect be baffled (as I was) when they don't see anything like those management tabs come up. If I'd seen a brief mention to "check your browser version".. it would have saved me a bunch of time.
Actually, I'll go in and change the quickstart page myself, this is a good idea, I dont know why I didn't think of it...
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I've seen similar problems on W2K with IE5, 5.01, 5.5 (but not 5.51). Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com> To: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>; "Sundar Narasimhan" <sundar@ascent.com> Cc: <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>; <cduncan@kaivo.com>; <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] newbie zope question -- stuck in quick-start page
What exact versions of IE does this actually happen under? Anybody know?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com> To: "Sundar Narasimhan" <sundar@ascent.com> Cc: <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>; <cduncan@kaivo.com>; <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] newbie zope question -- stuck in quick-start page
Understood. Here's a small suggestion -- I'd do it myself if I knew how. I'd put in a short paragraph (or at least a link to this problem's description) somewhere in the beginner's guide/install documents. Most people will install zope, fire up their browsers, and when they connect be baffled (as I was) when they don't see anything like those management tabs come up. If I'd seen a brief mention to "check your browser version".. it would have saved me a bunch of time.
Actually, I'll go in and change the quickstart page myself, this is a good idea, I dont know why I didn't think of it...
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OK, I updated the QuickStart page with an informative message. Thanks...! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Harris" <phil.harris@zope.co.uk> To: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>; "Sundar Narasimhan" <sundar@ascent.com> Cc: <cduncan@kaivo.com>; <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] newbie zope question -- stuck in quick-start page
I've seen similar problems on W2K with IE5, 5.01, 5.5 (but not 5.51).
Phil
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com> To: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com>; "Sundar Narasimhan" <sundar@ascent.com> Cc: <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>; <cduncan@kaivo.com>; <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] newbie zope question -- stuck in quick-start page
What exact versions of IE does this actually happen under? Anybody know?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@digicool.com> To: "Sundar Narasimhan" <sundar@ascent.com> Cc: <phil.harris@zope.co.uk>; <cduncan@kaivo.com>; <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] newbie zope question -- stuck in quick-start page
Understood. Here's a small suggestion -- I'd do it myself if I knew how. I'd put in a short paragraph (or at least a link to this problem's description) somewhere in the beginner's guide/install documents. Most people will install zope, fire up their browsers, and when they connect be baffled (as I was) when they don't see anything like those management tabs come up. If I'd seen a brief mention to "check your browser version".. it would have saved me a bunch of time.
Actually, I'll go in and change the quickstart page myself, this is a good idea, I dont know why I didn't think of it...
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