newbie: Opera, changing users, Windows, etiquette, active tutorial
Hello, 1. Opera: Is anyone using the better browser, Opera, with Zope sites? I (currently) run only on Win98. (see below) 2. Users: Is it just me, or would other people wish to change a user's role, without the *requirement* of also changing the password in acl_users folder?. 2.1. I click on the users name, highlight a role, press (or click) "change", I always get: "Password and confirmation must be specified". I don't want to change the user's password, I just want to change the user's role. What's the answer? 3. Living under Windows: I installed 2.1.2, ran through the tutorials, created some cool things, then went back to my "real" work for a week. In that time I installed some new software (including Opera and ZoneAlarm that deal with communication). Then Zope is broke. I can get the initial screen, but when I click on Manage, the server falls over and dies with a *real* long message string starting: ERROR(200) ZServer uncaptured python exception, .....ending with File "C:\Program Files\Zope212\ZServer\medusa\logger.py", line 65, in maybe_fl ush self.file.flush() IOError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor 3.1. I "solved" this by installing 2.1.6 in a different directory. 3.2. I have no idea what to do without re-installing. 3.3. I would like to retrieve the information and site I placed in the old version. 4. Etiquette: I search in this list, in ZOPE.ORG, ZopeNewbie, Squishdot, and other general searches, spending many hours trying to find the answers to these. Am I searching the correct places? I am receptive to corrections in my message etiquette. I.E. is this too long? Should I create separate messages? 5. After learning about Zope at the recent Python conference, I decided that it is what I want to learn to jump into the 'web application' world. I'm having trouble finding the answers I need, and filtering all the 'stuff' I don't understand (yet) from the mailing list. I comment Richard Moon & Neil Burnett for their tutorial and documentation ideas. I have two suggestions for assisting people get more targeting information. One would be a thought out product, and the other, just a collection of submitted articles. 5.A. Product: "Targeted" discussions. Each user should be able to specify any or all from different category of messages. Categories can be added in a specific format to a message, or selected from a web page. (I have additional ideas about people with permissions to suggest or change submitted categories, auto-select categories, etc., but maybe I'll put that in a Product someday) 5.A.1. Example category types: OS, about (installing, setup, integrating, using, managing), question difficulty, or user experience level (1-5), Zope area (Zserver, Zclasses, SQL, PTK, Doc, Python Methods, etc, etc), and maybe ONLY one or two others. This way a ZOPE.ORG member can easily change or see the mailing list messages they get. 5.A.2. Then you get ONLY the INITIAL messages that you might be interested in. In order to follow the message you must reply to it. That way you ignore the messages you wish to ignore. (That's what I call an intuitive interface). If you wish to follow the message, reply to it. A message body isn't necessary. The return address won't be zope@zope.org, but something that will keep the messages together, sort of a 'mini' mailing list. 5.A.3. This sounds like a great project / product for Zope. Help me with my next phase of financing for my company, and I'll help write (or at least design) it! 5.B. I plan on creating a 'travelogue' of my Zope learning experience and encourage others to do the same. If these can be found easily, they will be a great help to Zope newbies. This would help me. I want to know how to do Z, or add X to my page, not what tool Y does and what it's options are. Show me how to build a house, not how to use a saw and a hammer. I will start mine as soon as I get some financing out of the way. TankYouBerryMuch <Details: > <Zope version= 2.1.6> <Experience with> Web servers, mailing lists, Linux, C++, Perl: Nil Java: Nil+1 Zope: rank beginner Python, HTML, SQL: Low Database & user interface design, teaching database design, the PICK database: Very high </Experience with> <Platform> Win98, IE5 (until I get time to learn Linux) </Platform> </Details> --Jerry McRae, CEO, usd1.com, Vancouver USA
Jerry McRae wrote:
5.A.3. This sounds like a great project / product for Zope. Help me with my next phase of financing for my company, and I'll help write (or at least design) it!
I'm a little unsure what your application is supposed to accomplish, but the use of email as a 'reinforcing' mechanism is interesting, though perhaps unneccesary. An good zope front-end to private NNTP servers would probably be a better choice.
5.B. I plan on creating a 'travelogue' of my Zope learning experience and encourage others to do the same. If these can be found easily, they will be a great help to Zope newbies. This would help me. I want to know how to do Z, or add X to my page, not what tool Y does and what it's options are. Show me how to build a house, not how to use a saw and a hammer. I will start mine as soon as I get some financing out of the way.
You may want to check out ZopeNewbies: http://weblogs.userland.com/zopeNewbies/ Particularly the 'Breadcrumbs' section. HTH,
Jerry McRae wrote:
Hello,
1. Opera: Is anyone using the better browser, Opera, with Zope sites? I (currently) run only on Win98. (see below)
I use Opera (3.61) on Win95 talking to a Zope server on Linux, and does the management screens fine.. <snip> --John
----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry McRae <Jerry@usd1.com>
2. Users: Is it just me, or would other people wish to change a user's role, without the *requirement* of also changing the password in acl_users folder?.
I realize that this may not be a lot of comfort, but this is fixed in CVS, and should be in 2.2
3.3. I would like to retrieve the information and site I placed in the old version.
I'm not sure what caused the problem you are having, but as long as the 2.1.6 installation has the same Products installed, you can just copy the Data.fs from the old installation.
4. Etiquette: I search in this list, in ZOPE.ORG, ZopeNewbie, Squishdot, and other general searches, spending many hours trying to find the answers to these. Am I searching the correct places? I am receptive to corrections in my message etiquette. I.E. is this too long? Should I create separate messages?
Your etiquette is flawless. Have no fear on that front.
5.A.3. This sounds like a great project / product for Zope. Help me with my next phase of financing for my company, and I'll help write (or at least design) it!
Sounds interesting, though I don't think I "got" all of what you were proposing.
5.B. I plan on creating a 'travelogue' of my Zope learning experience and encourage others to do the same.
You probably already know this from visiting Zope.org, but just in case: If you get a Zope.org account, you can make HOWTOs and documents there, and have them catalogued so that the side-wide Seach will find them. Cheers, Evan @ digicool & 4-am
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