Newbie comparison Zope, MSCMS and RedDot - editing content
Hi, I'm a Zope-newbie (only heard of it 2 days ago), and I'm trying to see how it compares with something like RedDot or MSCMS, which have the ability to edit content right on the live page using placeholders. Eg: Click on the red dot, and I can edit a paragraph. So far, all I have found is how to edit object values through the management console. I think there must be something in the Zope world to do this. Getting pointed in the right direction on this would be much appreciated, Josh
You may want to have a look at Wiki or BackTalk for Zope... these are both products that allow you to edit inline. Joshua Lanza wrote:
Hi,
I'm a Zope-newbie (only heard of it 2 days ago), and I'm trying to see how it compares with something like RedDot or MSCMS, which have the ability to edit content right on the live page using placeholders. Eg: Click on the red dot, and I can edit a paragraph. So far, all I have found is how to edit object values through the management console. I think there must be something in the Zope world to do this.
Getting pointed in the right direction on this would be much appreciated,
Josh
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I was thinking that zwiki, backtalk etc. might be able to support this without requiring intra-text buttons, as follows: - while viewing a page, user selects a chunk of text with the mouse - javascript captures the selection and passes it as an argument when the edit button is clicked - the editform presents and alters only the segment of the page which matches (roughly) the selection -Simon
Joshua Lanza <jlanza@vorsite.com> wrote:
I'm a Zope-newbie (only heard of it 2 days ago), and I'm trying to see how it compares with something like RedDot or MSCMS, which have the ability to edit content right on the live page using placeholders. Eg: Click on the red dot, and I can edit a paragraph. So far, all I have found is how to edit object values through the management console. I think there must be something in the Zope world to do this.
Getting pointed in the right direction on this would be much appreciated,
The product 'Kontentor' by Iuveno (http://demo.iuveno-net.de/iuveno/Products/Kontentor) is based on Zope and provides inline editing capabilities. by Töns -- Linux. The dot in /.
The product 'Kontentor' by Iuveno (http://demo.iuveno-net.de/iuveno/Products/Kontentor) is based on Zope and provides inline editing capabilities.
BTW: I know that the current Kontentor release is NOT very easy to install and limited to Zope 2.3.1. Just give us some days. There either will be a full Kontentor alpha or at least a partial release of the insite editing (consisting of SmartSections and some add-ons) before christmas I promise. Joachim
Oh and I almost forgot, Spoke.net has a product based on Zope (CrankSet) that seems to maybe be what you want. Of course, there's also Zope CMF. Toens Bueker wrote:
Joshua Lanza <jlanza@vorsite.com> wrote:
I'm a Zope-newbie (only heard of it 2 days ago), and I'm trying to see how it compares with something like RedDot or MSCMS, which have the ability to edit content right on the live page using placeholders. Eg: Click on the red dot, and I can edit a paragraph. So far, all I have found is how to edit object values through the management console. I think there must be something in the Zope world to do this.
Getting pointed in the right direction on this would be much appreciated,
The product 'Kontentor' by Iuveno (http://demo.iuveno-net.de/iuveno/Products/Kontentor) is based on Zope and provides inline editing capabilities.
by Töns -- Linux. The dot in /.
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Hi Joshua, there is a HowTo for Zope called, I believe, The Edit Properties Only Howto, let's seee .... ah yes, here you go: http://www.zope.org/Members/rlgines/propertiesOnly BTW: you will have to locate the right spot in Properties.py yourself since the sourcecode might have changed a bit by now. We here at catWorkX took taht approach and extended it. It is now a fully self containing patch residing in the Products directory and it is becoming a fully fledged product. I have successfully applied it to ZClass based objectes as well as normal, python based products. I think we were going to release it once it became useable for the group of non-Zope-hackers ;-) I hacked a template mechanism into this so you have to define your look and feel only once but can use it multiple times. So changing the template will affect all the documents that use that template. I onbce had a template add on ready that did behave nearly as the object from iuveno (explained below), but I seem to have lost it somewhere in my 10+ Zope installations :-) The second very nice alternative is using a different approach. It is the Kontentor Objekt from iuveno (seeking url .......): http://demo.iuveno-net.de/iuveno/Products/Kontentor They already have a sexy demo site put up, so you can have a "feel" of it. Nevertheless, I was not able to set it up correctly -- maybe I should have read the README more carefully ;-) Then finally, you want to take a look at the CMF - the Content Management Framework: http://cmf.zope.org Which is sort of the "ueber" projekt that tries to cover a whole lot more than just the first two projects. It comes with a protal site demo that let's you and others join and become memebers to be able to create you own page. It is supposed to be able to do other stuff as well, although I have not seen anything else yet. I am shure you can push it into the direction of a CMS, but I do not know if that is not being done already. It definitely has the cleaner approach, but requieres you to look into CMF first, before you can write your own code. - Holger ----------------------------------- catWorkX GmbH Hamburg Dipl.-Ing. Holger Lehmann Stresemannstr. 364 22761 Hamburg Tel : +49 40 890 646-0 Info: 0700 catWorkX ( 0700 22 89 67 59 ) Fax : +49 40 890 646-66 mailto:lehmann@catworkx.de http://www.catworkx.de http://www.catbridge.de On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Joshua Lanza wrote:
Hi,
I'm a Zope-newbie (only heard of it 2 days ago), and I'm trying to see how it compares with something like RedDot or MSCMS, which have the ability to edit content right on the live page using placeholders. Eg: Click on the red dot, and I can edit a paragraph. So far, all I have found is how to edit object values through the management console. I think there must be something in the Zope world to do this.
Getting pointed in the right direction on this would be much appreciated,
Josh
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Hi!
http://demo.iuveno-net.de/iuveno/Products/Kontentor
They already have a sexy demo site put up, so you can have a "feel" of it. Nevertheless, I was not able to set it up correctly -- maybe I should have read the README more carefully ;-)
The current demo tarball is not really what you'd like to test at home. If you want to test, use the test site. But over the weekend Kontentor 2.0 has become rather stable. I am REALLY confident that the alpha will be out for christmas. It will feature: - full multi-level skinnability - a set of predefined objects (similar to CMF), like News, Events, FAQ, Addresses - a membership concept - WYSIWYG editing (IE only) and in-site editing (copy&paste links or images from one page to another, including symlinks that will automatically be up-to-date) - full internationalization via ZBabel - Formulator as an easy-to-use form generation framework - ZCatalog support - ... The next step then will probably be building tools for people to create their own content objects (like ZClasses, but more efficient and easier to use). Also on the schedule: - integrating ZMailMan as soon as it is finished - integrating autogeneration of GIF/PNG text buttons from navigation trees etc. - upload/download/indexing support for Word/PDF (using the existing tools and making them compatible) - portal tools (to create user-defined views with editable boxes etc.) Kontentor is more like Zope than like CMF. It doesn't introduce too many new APIs or concepts, but tries to use the existing ones efficiently. Joachim
Hi! The Kontentor demo at http://212.6.156.163:44080/test/iuveno/Home shows (in a very simple implementation) that Zope CAN do in-place editing. With the Kontentor 2 release (which is going to be released "soon", whatever that might mean ;-)), this will be improved a lot.
Click on the red dot, and I can edit a paragraph. So far, all I have found is how to edit object values through the management console. I think there must be something in the Zope world to do this.
That's what you can do with Kontentor. Only that the dot is not red but is an icon that says "Edit". <advertising banner> Considering the price tags of the aforementioned products: You'd get a lot of customization, including all the in-place editing and WYSIWYG you might have always dreamt of, for the same money, if you go with one of the Zope services companies. </advertising banner> Cheers iuveno AG Joachim Werner, CEO Marie-Curie-Straße 6 85055 Ingolstadt joachim.werner@iuveno-net.de www.iuveno-net.de Tel.: +49(0)841/9014-325 (Fax: -322)
--On 30 November 2001 17:21 -0800 Joshua Lanza <jlanza@vorsite.com> wrote:
Hi,
I'm a Zope-newbie (only heard of it 2 days ago), and I'm trying to see how it compares with something like RedDot or MSCMS, which have the ability to edit content right on the live page using placeholders. Eg: Click on the red dot, and I can edit a paragraph. So far, all I have found is how to edit object values through the management console. I think there must be something in the Zope world to do this.
Getting pointed in the right direction on this would be much appreciated,
Zope doesn't give you this out of the box but there a number of Products that can extend Zope in this direction (and which have been mentioned in replies). More generally, you can use _any_ of a wide range of TTW editing widgets within the Zope framework. See http://www.bris.ac.uk/ISC/cms/ttw.html for a list of these. Some of them are now developing in an XML direction (e.g. Xopus http://www.q42.nl/products/editors.html ). Paul -- The Library, Tyndall Avenue, Univ. of Bristol, Bristol, BS8 1TJ, UK E-mail: paul.browning@bristol.ac.uk URL: http://www.bris.ac.uk/
Paul Browning wrote: [snip]
More generally, you can use _any_ of a wide range of TTW editing widgets within the Zope framework. See
http://www.bris.ac.uk/ISC/cms/ttw.html
for a list of these. Some of them are now developing in an XML direction (e.g. Xopus http://www.q42.nl/products/editors.html ).
First, thanks for managing the ttw.html list. I refer to it quite often. Next, I checked out Xopus (this was the first time I had seen it), and all I can say is -- wow! That's just flat out the most amazing thing I've seen in a long time. I didn't think it could possibly be doing what I was looking at. Everybody that has fifteen minutes and IE5.5 is encouraged to read the four step overview then run some of the demos, including the Lime demo. --Paul
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Paul Everitt wrote:
Next, I checked out Xopus (this was the first time I had seen it), and all I can say is -- wow! That's just flat out the most amazing thing I've seen in a long time. I didn't think it could possibly be doing what I was looking at.
Everybody that has fifteen minutes and IE5.5 is encouraged to read the Hmmm, I would only spend a "wow" if it would not be based on non-free software.
SNCR Andreas.
On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 03:38:43PM +0000, Chris Withers wrote:
Hmmm, I would only spend a "wow" if it would not be based on non-free software.
I don't think I've ever paid for IE...
Ever read its source code? Modified it? Distributed in modified or unmodified form? No? Then it is non-free software. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/ phd@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Oleg Broytmann wrote:
On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 03:38:43PM +0000, Chris Withers wrote:
Hmmm, I would only spend a "wow" if it would not be based on non-free software.
I don't think I've ever paid for IE...
Ever read its source code? Modified it? Distributed in modified or unmodified form? No? Then it is non-free software. I smell a wumpus^H^H^H^H^H^Hflamewar. :)
In addition I would have to pay for IE, because I have no W$ license. Never heard about that I could obtain a Linux version of this browser for free. Any URLs? Kind regards Andreas.
Hi, I just joined the list, and I have to say all of the support I have seen so far has be amazing! Can anyone help answer the following two questions for me.. I am a newbie to Zope. 1. Can you run the Zope Server and IIS at the same time? I hope to be able to use www.myname.com and have it be picked-up by IIS, and www.myname.com/zope and have the Zope server take over. 2. If this question still applies, how use the Zope server without the port follow the domain name, such as www.myname.com:8080??? I followed the instruction as on zopefornembies.com and change the port to just 80. But then Zope server never worked.... Any help is greatly appreciated!
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