The truth is out there.... http://www.inside.com/story/Story_Cached/0,2770,6358,00.html Here is a reference point for anyone (or anyone's management) who is considering buying an "off-the-shelf, proprietary (our secrets are better than anyone's), we'll solve all your problems 'cause the commissioned sales guy says so" web application platform. I'm not too worried about anyone on this list. ;-) Scott Boyd sboyd@futures.com