Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
I thought you had blacklisted me out. I wish you had! :-) "Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb" I will bring back the word ignorant since that comment plainly is. And if you think I am a troll then the same word applies. I would suggest you look at yourself and think before you post. Over on the Plone list there have been several bust ups due to your attitude and many people have commented to my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been. So I would take a look at yourself and think before you post. On 10/12/06, Andreas Jung <lists@zopyx.com> wrote:
--On 12. Oktober 2006 09:07:04 +0100 Chris Withers <chris@simplistix.co.uk
wrote:
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
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On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote:
" The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform.
"
ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced.
Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done.
Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-)
For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable rather than motivated to produce them.
Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if everything goes smoothly...
Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I less than politely suggest you STFU...
@Chris: what is STFU?
@Michael: You're a numpty and a troll.
If you don't know what 'numpty' means, see
<http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty>
My posting did not contain a single line that I would not care about the Windows releases. In fact I have been after people like Christian Theune, Chris Withers and Tim Peters to provide Windows builds after releasing the source code distributions. In addition I asked some days ago on the zope-dev list about Windows maintainer problem. Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb and troll-compatible postings, please just shut up. You're not in the position to tell me that I would be ignorant on Windows. I am usually ignorant on Windows issues in general (for a variety of reasons) *but* I am trying to delegate the issue to other ppl. That's a big difference.
Andreas
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-- michael
same to you pal :-) since you started it. Water off a duck's back mate. On 10/12/06, michael nt milne <michael.milne@gmail.com> wrote:
I thought you had blacklisted me out. I wish you had! :-)
"Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb"
I will bring back the word ignorant since that comment plainly is. And if you think I am a troll then the same word applies. I would suggest you look at yourself and think before you post. Over on the Plone list there have been several bust ups due to your attitude and many people have commented to my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been. So I would take a look at yourself and think before you post.
On 10/12/06, Andreas Jung <lists@zopyx.com> wrote:
--On 12. Oktober 2006 09:07:04 +0100 Chris Withers < chris@simplistix.co.uk> wrote:
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
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On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote:
" The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to
care about the Windows platform.
"
ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced.
Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done.
Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-)
For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable rather than motivated to produce them.
Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if everything goes smoothly...
Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I less than politely suggest you STFU...
@Chris: what is STFU?
@Michael: You're a numpty and a troll.
If you don't know what 'numpty' means, see
<http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty >
My posting did not contain a single line that I would not care about the Windows releases. In fact I have been after people like Christian Theune, Chris Withers and Tim Peters to provide Windows builds after releasing the source code distributions. In addition I asked some days ago on the zope-dev list about Windows maintainer problem. Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb and troll-compatible postings, please just shut up. You're not in the position to tell me that I would be ignorant on Windows. I am usually ignorant on Windows issues in general (for a variety of reasons) *but* I am trying to delegate the issue to other ppl. That's a big difference.
Andreas
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your blacklist rule broken down has it? put it back please or I will have to. On 10/12/06, michael nt milne <michael.milne@gmail.com> wrote:
same to you pal :-) since you started it. Water off a duck's back mate.
On 10/12/06, michael nt milne <michael.milne@gmail.com > wrote:
I thought you had blacklisted me out. I wish you had! :-)
"Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb"
I will bring back the word ignorant since that comment plainly is. And if you think I am a troll then the same word applies. I would suggest you look at yourself and think before you post. Over on the Plone list there have been several bust ups due to your attitude and many people have commented to my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been. So I would take a look at yourself and think before you post.
On 10/12/06, Andreas Jung < lists@zopyx.com> wrote:
--On 12. Oktober 2006 09:07:04 +0100 Chris Withers < chris@simplistix.co.uk> wrote:
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
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On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote:
" The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to care about the Windows platform.
"
ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer unless it is embraced.
Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done.
Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-)
For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable rather than motivated to produce them.
Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if everything goes smoothly...
Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I less than politely suggest you STFU...
@Chris: what is STFU?
@Michael: You're a numpty and a troll.
If you don't know what 'numpty' means, see
< http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty >
My posting did not contain a single line that I would not care about the Windows releases. In fact I have been after people like Christian Theune, Chris Withers and Tim Peters to provide Windows builds after releasing the source code distributions. In addition I asked some days ago on the zope-dev list about Windows maintainer problem. Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb and troll-compatible postings, please just shut up. You're not in the position to tell me that I would be ignorant on Windows. I am usually ignorant on Windows issues in general (for a variety of reasons) *but* I am trying to delegate the issue to other ppl. That's a big difference.
Andreas
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"why don't YOU volunteer to do it? It seems that you are making money using Zope/Plone which is fine - but this would be a way to actually give something back to the community." I would be happy to do this. Yes I am making money using Plone and Zope but I could easily make money using a number of other platforms. I could also adandon working on implementing CMS and make good money in other areas. I am not restricted to working with it or on CMS. I find it interesting and I also think Plone is one of the best platforms I have seen with an excellent community and real vibrancy. Also in using the platform in a current installation I am creating good publicity for Plone and therefore Zope nationwide. This can only further the cause. When I get some extra time I would be happy to volunteer but I can't do both at the moment. My Plone sites take precedence. On 10/12/06, michael nt milne <michael.milne@gmail.com> wrote:
your blacklist rule broken down has it? put it back please or I will have to.
On 10/12/06, michael nt milne < michael.milne@gmail.com> wrote:
same to you pal :-) since you started it. Water off a duck's back mate.
On 10/12/06, michael nt milne < michael.milne@gmail.com > wrote:
I thought you had blacklisted me out. I wish you had! :-)
"Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb"
I will bring back the word ignorant since that comment plainly is. And if you think I am a troll then the same word applies. I would suggest you look at yourself and think before you post. Over on the Plone list there have been several bust ups due to your attitude and many people have commented to my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been. So I would take a look at yourself and think before you post.
On 10/12/06, Andreas Jung < lists@zopyx.com> wrote:
--On 12. Oktober 2006 09:07:04 +0100 Chris Withers < chris@simplistix.co.uk> wrote:
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
On 11 Oct 2006, at 17:14, michael nt milne wrote:
> " > The windows builds will be available as soon as someone volunteer to > care about the Windows platform. > > " > > ignorant thinking. Most businesses use Windows and Zope will suffer > unless it is embraced.
Who do you think you are insulting people who actually invest a lot of their spare time in the software and in the community? You being an annoying troll is helping no one, and it certainly won't get Windows builds done.
Haha, just add him to your email blacklist, saves a lot of trouble ;-)
For the record, the releases are not available because no-one is capable rather than motivated to produce them.
Having built a couple, Windows releases are a royal PITA even if everything goes smoothly...
Now Michael, unless you're prepared to build these releases yourself, I less than politely suggest you STFU...
@Chris: what is STFU?
@Michael: You're a numpty and a troll.
If you don't know what 'numpty' means, see
< http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty >
My posting did not contain a single line that I would not care about the Windows releases. In fact I have been after people like Christian Theune, Chris Withers and Tim Peters to provide Windows builds after releasing the source code distributions. In addition I asked some days ago on the zope-dev list about Windows maintainer problem. Since your contributions to the Zope and Plone world are just dumb and troll-compatible postings, please just shut up. You're not in the position to tell me that I would be ignorant on Windows. I am usually ignorant on Windows issues in general (for a variety of reasons) *but* I am trying to delegate the issue to other ppl. That's a big difference.
Andreas
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On 10/12/06, michael nt milne <michael.milne@gmail.com> wrote:
my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been.
well, unless my glasses distort my brain, none of your postings in this thread have been. basically, as almost always with something one receives without needing to pay for, we can be glad (and should be grateful)that there are people using THEIR OWN TIME for something what benefits us, too. and they can do with their own time what they want, and you can too, with yours. so stop whining, especially if you can't contribute with your own time or by funding one of the developers to do WHAT YOU WANT. Otoh, I don't think any of the developers will be sad If YOU stop using zope. Or even notice. --knitti
yes I get your general 'drift'. I am putting in my own time as much as I can just now promoting Plone and therefore Zope. And this will increase over time. To be honest I am more committed to Plone and the user base there. This thread was an example of a in-built bias against Windows which I have come up against time and time again but mainly on this list. We all know that Zope runs best on Unix but for the small to medium organisation running a server in house Windows is the platform of choice.
Otoh, I don't think any of the developers will be sad If YOU stop using zope. Or even notice.
Obviously but that doesn't bother me a bit. On 10/12/06, knitti <knitti@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/12/06, michael nt milne <michael.milne@gmail.com> wrote:
my privately on your approace. I've been posting on Plone, receiving help, posting bugs and also helping others for over a year now. All totally constructive. People have also commented to me that my posts have been helpful and they have been.
well, unless my glasses distort my brain, none of your postings in this thread have been. basically, as almost always with something one receives without needing to pay for, we can be glad (and should be grateful)that there are people using THEIR OWN TIME for something what benefits us, too. and they can do with their own time what they want, and you can too, with yours. so stop whining, especially if you can't contribute with your own time or by funding one of the developers to do WHAT YOU WANT. Otoh, I don't think any of the developers will be sad If YOU stop using zope. Or even notice.
--knitti
-- michael
On 10/12/06, michael nt milne <michael.milne@gmail.com> wrote:
This thread was an example of a in-built bias against Windows which I have come up against time and time again but mainly on this list. We all know that Zope runs best on Unix but for the small to medium organisation running a server in house Windows is the platform of choice.
I use Zope on WIndows for development sometimes too. But if none of the devolpers has Windows as a priority I have to live with that, because *I know* that whining doesn't do shit to increase motivation of a developer to invest time into an issue, if he or she has enough interesting things to do already. --knitti
No I get your point. I just feel that anti-windows feeling has to be flagged up. If not it gets endemnic and hopefully occasional pointers will feed in organically. Ultimately in OSS though people will do what they want and that is also part of the value. Finally I don't think I am 'whining' on this. Cheers On 10/12/06, knitti <knitti@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/12/06, michael nt milne <michael.milne@gmail.com> wrote:
This thread was an example of a in-built bias against Windows which I have come up against time and time again but mainly on this list. We all know that Zope runs best on Unix but for the small to medium organisation running a server in house Windows is the platform of choice.
I use Zope on WIndows for development sometimes too. But if none of the devolpers has Windows as a priority I have to live with that, because *I know* that whining doesn't do shit to increase motivation of a developer to invest time into an issue, if he or she has enough interesting things to do already.
--knitti
-- michael
michael nt milne said the following on 10/12/2006 01:33 PM:
No I get your point. I just feel that anti-windows feeling has to be flagged up. If not it gets endemnic and hopefully occasional pointers will feed in organically. Ultimately in OSS though people will do what they want and that is also part of the value. Finally I don't think I am 'whining' on this.
there is no anti-windows feeling, even if some people make snug remarks about windows. There is a lack of windows-savvy developers that have time and resources to maintain the windows builds. However, that is a totally different issue, and your attitude does not help. So, if there are some souls here on this list that are less than pleasant at times (yeah, you know who you are :-), then by all means show some class and do not try to behave like them. so, to repeat: there is no anti-windows conspiracy, just an unfortunate lack of windows-savvy developers (I'll have to add "that can afford the ms development tools" ;-). my 2 eurocents. Cheers, /dario -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley
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