Hello, I'm pretty new to Zope (even newer to Zope on Linux) and I'm having a few problems getting it installed and running properly. I've successfully installed and run Zope, but to achieve as a non-root user, I must install Zope and an instance in my '~' directory. This is great, but I do need to be able to run Zope at port 80. As a side note, many of the docs on Zope.org treat doing this as a minor issue, and seem to promote the idea of running it at 8080. I'm a little confused by this. I understand that this has some security advantages, but I don't understand why anyone would do this under normal circumstances. I mean, no one goes to www.blah.net:8080 Pardon me if I'm being ignorant, but I would think this would be the exception, rather than rule. Zope.org gives me the impression that 8080 is (or should be) the rule. Anyway, back to real life. In any case, I decided to try installing Zope to the default location, assuming that this was the best general location, being the default and all. Everything works fine with: # ./configure # make # sudo make install The zopewiki Installing 2.7 site, likes to put the instance in a users /home directory, so I try: # /opt/Zope-7.1/bin/mkzopeinstance.py -d ~/scs-instance -u root:pw I get: [Errno 13] Permission denied: './README.txt' Ok, between zopewiki.org and the doc/INSTALL.txt, you'd think I'd have this licked, but nooOOOooo. :-) Any help would be greatly appreciated. After this they have me chown and chmoding instance directories, and I'm looking forward to what goes wrong then. Any additional advice in hopes of preventing further posts from me would be equally appreciated. Thanks everyone! --Steven Hodgen
--On Freitag, 16. Juli 2004 15:27 Uhr -0700 Steven Hodgen <shodgen@solomonschool.com> wrote:
Hello,
I'm pretty new to Zope (even newer to Zope on Linux) and I'm having a few problems getting it installed and running properly.
I've successfully installed and run Zope, but to achieve as a non-root user, I must install Zope and an instance in my '~' directory. This is great, but I do need to be able to run Zope at port 80. As a side note, many of the docs on Zope.org treat doing this as a minor issue, and seem to promote the idea of running it at 8080. I'm a little confused by this. I understand that this has some security advantages, but I don't understand why anyone would do this under normal circumstances. I mean, no one goes to www.blah.net:8080
Pardon me if I'm being ignorant, but I would think this would be the exception, rather than rule. Zope.org gives me the impression that 8080 is (or should be) the rule.
- it is not recommended to install and run Zope as root. - if you install and run it as zope, you have to adjust the user settings in etc/zope.conf - don't run Zope as server on the internet *without* any reverse proxy like squid or apache -aj
-----Original Message----- From: Andreas Jung [mailto:lists@andreas-jung.com] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 8:46 PM To: Steven Hodgen; zope@zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] Hi + question
--On Freitag, 16. Juli 2004 15:27 Uhr -0700 Steven Hodgen <shodgen@solomonschool.com> wrote:
Hello,
I'm pretty new to Zope (even newer to Zope on Linux) and I'm having a few problems getting it installed and running properly.
I've successfully installed and run Zope, but to achieve as a non-root user, I must install Zope and an instance in my '~' directory. This is great, but I do need to be able to run Zope at port 80. As a side note, many of the docs on Zope.org treat doing this as a minor issue, and seem to promote the idea of running it at 8080. I'm a little confused by this. I understand that this has some security advantages, but I don't understand why anyone would do this under normal circumstances. I mean, no one goes to www.blah.net:8080
Pardon me if I'm being ignorant, but I would think this would be the exception, rather than rule. Zope.org gives me the impression that 8080 is (or should be) the rule.
Andreas Jung writes: - it is not recommended to install and run Zope as root. - if you install and run it as zope, you have to adjust the user settings in etc/zope.conf - don't run Zope as server on the internet *without* any reverse proxy like squid or apache
-aj
I'm somewhat confused. The default install location for Zope is /opt. In order to install here, you must do it via root. The only thing I've done as root, is 'sudo make install', since I must. Now, the installation tutorial on 'plope.org', recommends doing it this way, although it is true that the INSTALL.txt file in doc/ does recommend not installing as root, but the default location would seem to indicate otherwise. I've seen references to installing to /usr/local, and a user's /home. Please understand that I'm not a linux guru, at least not yet. I have, however, been a software engineer for years, since '80, but only recently have I started exploring linux. At this point, the proper method for utilizing the linux directory hierarchy is a bit of a mystery. All I know is that I want to install Zope in a way which is most consistent with the intent of Linux Filesystem Hierarchy "standard?", which is somewhat unclear as to where third party software should be installed. It seems that /usr/local and /opt are valid locations, with /opt being, perhaps, primary. That being the case, /opt would seem a very reasonable place to put Zope, although based on this standard Zope's log files should be somewhere in /var/log, and it's data files somewhere else in /var, since the data changes via ZMI? Please overlook what may be obvious ignorance. You may well feel that Installing and running Zope is not the best tutorial for a linux newbie, but that's how I learn everything. I just jump in with both feet. I want a secure system, and perhaps 8080 is good for now, but I would want to be able to easily change to 80 without having to reinstall Zope, etc. Based on some reading, I was under the impression that it was ok to run Zope as root, since it automatically lowered it's user status to the one in zope.cfg after performing some root required initializations. Ok, I'm finished displaying my newbie status, at least for the moment. :-) Thanks for your help and patience. --Steven
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 03:27:22PM -0700, Steven Hodgen wrote:
Hello,
I'm pretty new to Zope (even newer to Zope on Linux) and I'm having a few problems getting it installed and running properly.
I've successfully installed and run Zope, but to achieve as a non-root user, I must install Zope and an instance in my '~' directory. This is great, but I do need to be able to run Zope at port 80. As a side note, many of the docs on Zope.org treat doing this as a minor issue, and seem to promote the idea of running it at 8080. I'm a little confused by this. I understand that this has some security advantages, but I don't understand why anyone would do this under normal circumstances. I mean, no one goes to www.blah.net:8080
Right... and hardly anyone ever runs zope on the internet without a reverse proxy server in front. Normally it's behind apache, squid, or something else running on port 80. For one thing, lots of malicious clients make invalid requests and it helps to have something like apache filtering those out so they never even hit zope. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com
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