Zope Newbie Needs Install Help
Hello, All - My apologies if this is a sore subject with list members. Zope has been generating a lot of buzz, so I decided to check it out. I have been through the bugs list, the online docs, the docs distributed with Zope, and have searched this list, to no avail. Joining the list is my last resort. Basically, after two weeks of trying, I have yet to get Zope to work. I have tried it on the following: - redhat 6, compiled from source, on a system with a working Apache/PHP/MySQL configuration - WinNT4 using the Zope Win32 binary release - Win98 using the Zope Win32 binary release - linux MIPS (Cobalt RaQ2 server) compiled from source, also with a working Apache/PHP/MySQL configuration Nothing has worked so far. It is very frustrating. The docs do not coincide with the actual software (port numbers are wrong, installation steps that are listed in the docs don't happen when you install the software, etc). It certainly hasn't been fun. From the traffic on this list, it looks like Zope is actually something that works, but so far, I have yet to see it. I'm still eager to try it, but my eagerness is fading fast! <grin> I'm an accomplished webmaster with experience on many platforms, and I've found my experiences so far with Zope to be extremely discouraging. Are there any other docs that are better than those found at zope.org and distributed with the code? Is there an installation/troubleshooting FAQ other than the one at zope.org? I've tried Zope as PCGI with an existing webserver, and also with the built-in HTTPServer. Starting up Zope with it's own server on Win32 gets nothing on either port 8080 or port 9763. The start.bat file is using the wrong python executable (python was already installed on the system). The problems go on and on, I will not bore you with them. Any and all help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I realize my problems and issues may be trivial to most of you, judging by the qualities of the posts on this list that I've seen so far. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide to this Zope newbie. - John Turner
On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, John Turner wrote:
Zope has been generating a lot of buzz, so I decided to check it out. I have been through the bugs list, the online docs, the docs distributed with Zope, and have searched this list, to no avail. Joining the list is my last resort.
Joining the list is your primary duty! Welcome to the Zope community!
Basically, after two weeks of trying, I have yet to get Zope to work. I [skip] Nothing has worked so far. It is very frustrating. The docs do not coincide with the actual software (port numbers are wrong, installation steps that are listed in the docs don't happen when you install the software, etc).
It certainly hasn't been fun. From the traffic on this list, it looks like Zope is actually something that works, but so far, I have yet to see it. I'm still eager to try it, but my eagerness is fading fast! <grin> I'm an accomplished webmaster with experience on many platforms, and I've found my experiences so far with Zope to be extremely discouraging.
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide to this Zope newbie.
Ah, bad to hear all that. Yes, in the ideal world all software work out of the box, documentation is perfect - and all for free. But dear, it is not ideal world (at least I don't think so, do you? kidding :). Either you pay for commercial support (no, I do not work for DigiCool, and I am not their customer), or take part in community (read: pay with your time, not money). To say of myself - I had installed Zope few months ago just by reading docs and I had installed ZPygreSQL Database Adapter with minor support from the community. No, I don't think the documentation is "bad" - it is just not for beginners. Wanna have better documenataion? Write it! There is no other way in the world of free software. (I hope this don't sounds rude - I really don't mean something bad about you personnaly.)
- John Turner
Oleg. ---- Oleg Broytmann Netskate/Inter.Net.Ru phd@emerald.netskate.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
At 14:11 01/09/99 , John Turner wrote:
- redhat 6, compiled from source, on a system with a working Apache/PHP/MySQL configuration
- WinNT4 using the Zope Win32 binary release
- Win98 using the Zope Win32 binary release
- linux MIPS (Cobalt RaQ2 server) compiled from source, also with a working Apache/PHP/MySQL configuration
What version of Zope where you using? On Linux, Zope2 should run without any problems if you have python 1.5.2 installed with threads enabled: unzip/untar source package into dir python wo_pcgi.py and the ./start should start ZServer in debug mode, and you can go to localhost:8080 and see Zope. On Win98/WinNT, just installing (it comes with its own python, even when you already have a version installed, just to make sure you have the right version), just run start.bat. It doesn't say anything, but when the timer turns into a hand, you can reach localhost:8080 again. Please let us know what problems you run into, what error messages you get, Zope versio, etc. -- Martijn Pieters, Web Developer | Antraciet http://www.antraciet.nl | Tel: +31-35-7502100 Fax: +31-35-7502111 | mailto:mj@antraciet.nl http://www.antraciet.nl/~mj | PGP: http://wwwkeys.nl.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xA8A32149 ------------------------------------------
OK, thanks for all the quick replies. Here is more info: - I'm aware of the python 1.5.2 requirement...I've downloaded python 1.5.2 for both linux and win32 from python.org, and installed it on both platforms prior to downloading Zope..AFAIK, python is working correctly on both platforms - The zope I've downloaded is the latest (well, in the case of linux, it might have been beta4 or beta5...for Win32, it was released Aug 19...I downloaded it last Saturday) - I've tried Zope with Apache on linux, but had problems with the mod_rewrite changes (the more complex apache config issues are not my best point). So I tried the ZServer on linux...nothing on port 8080. - On Win32, I run start.bat, the hourglass turns to a hand, and there is nothing on port 8080 or port 9763 (or port 9673, whichever one the docs say is correct). I modified start.bat to use the python that I installed previously, no change. The install docs say to look for a file called "SITENAME.exe" after a successful Win32 install of Zope...there is no such file anywhere on the system - I will gladly volunteer to write docs for Zope...I do not expect everything for free (which is why I tried everything on my own before coming to the list...I prefer to solve things myself) and I do not expect perfect support or perfect docs from the makers of Zope...I *do* expect to be able to get it installed, considering my experience level. If I can get this working, on either the linux or Win32 systems, I will gladly document the steps I had to take...so far, following the install docs hasn't gotten me anywhere. Thanks again for the quick replies and the help. - John On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Martijn Pieters wrote:
At 14:11 01/09/99 , John Turner wrote:
- redhat 6, compiled from source, on a system with a working Apache/PHP/MySQL configuration
- WinNT4 using the Zope Win32 binary release
- Win98 using the Zope Win32 binary release
- linux MIPS (Cobalt RaQ2 server) compiled from source, also with a working Apache/PHP/MySQL configuration
What version of Zope where you using?
On Linux, Zope2 should run without any problems if you have python 1.5.2 installed with threads enabled:
unzip/untar source package into dir python wo_pcgi.py
and the ./start should start ZServer in debug mode, and you can go to localhost:8080 and see Zope.
On Win98/WinNT, just installing (it comes with its own python, even when you already have a version installed, just to make sure you have the right version), just run start.bat. It doesn't say anything, but when the timer turns into a hand, you can reach localhost:8080 again.
Please let us know what problems you run into, what error messages you get, Zope versio, etc.
-- Martijn Pieters, Web Developer | Antraciet http://www.antraciet.nl | Tel: +31-35-7502100 Fax: +31-35-7502111 | mailto:mj@antraciet.nl http://www.antraciet.nl/~mj | PGP: http://wwwkeys.nl.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xA8A32149 ------------------------------------------
At 15:09 01/09/99 , John Turner wrote:
OK, thanks for all the quick replies. Here is more info:
- I'm aware of the python 1.5.2 requirement...I've downloaded python 1.5.2 for both linux and win32 from python.org, and installed it on both platforms prior to downloading Zope..AFAIK, python is working correctly on both platforms
You don't need to install python on Win32. On Linux, you need to configure it with threads. Do: python import threading If you get an error you need to reconfigure and recompile python.
- The zope I've downloaded is the latest (well, in the case of linux, it might have been beta4 or beta5...for Win32, it was released Aug 19...I downloaded it last Saturday)
beta 5 is dated 26/08.
- I've tried Zope with Apache on linux, but had problems with the mod_rewrite changes (the more complex apache config issues are not my best point). So I tried the ZServer on linux...nothing on port 8080.
Just used the default ./start? Wait until it says it has started the HTTP server. If there is an error, it will tell you on the prompt. Let us know what you get.
- On Win32, I run start.bat, the hourglass turns to a hand, and there is nothing on port 8080 or port 9763 (or port 9673, whichever one the docs say is correct). I modified start.bat to use the python that I installed previously, no change. The install docs say to look for a file called "SITENAME.exe" after a successful Win32 install of Zope...there is no such file anywhere on the system
I believe the SITENAME.exe part of the doc is outdated. It is a feature of Zope 1 that I believe is no longer supported in Zope 2. DC? I just downloaded Zope 2.0b6 and installed this without a problem. Zope2 is reachable as soon as the file Z2.log appears in the var subdirectory of your server.
- I will gladly volunteer to write docs for Zope...I do not expect everything for free (which is why I tried everything on my own before coming to the list...I prefer to solve things myself) and I do not expect perfect support or perfect docs from the makers of Zope...I *do* expect to be able to get it installed, considering my experience level. If I can get this working, on either the linux or Win32 systems, I will gladly document the steps I had to take...so far, following the install docs hasn't gotten me anywhere.
If you do get through to Zope and have some docs to share, join the ZDP list. We can use any hand we can get. -- Martijn Pieters, Web Developer | Antraciet http://www.antraciet.nl | Tel: +31-35-7502100 Fax: +31-35-7502111 | mailto:mj@antraciet.nl http://www.antraciet.nl/~mj | PGP: http://wwwkeys.nl.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xA8A32149 ------------------------------------------
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