Any comments on Zope and the Intel Linux setup vs the Cobalt setup? I am looking for a Zope/MySQL combinationsetup and would like to know Pros and cons of each of these setups (hardware) Dale -----Original Message----- From: adustman [mailto:adustman@comstar.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 8:40 AM To: m.mariani Cc: adustman; zope Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope hosting On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Marco Mariani wrote:
Hallo! I'm thinking about using zope to develop some sites.
May you please advise me about a Zope hoster?
We're phasing out hosting in favor of DASH (Dedicated Application Server Hosting). This is not a price quote: For about $200/mo, you can get a Cobalt RaQ3 that's all yours, hosted in our colo facility. Other Linux/UNIX platforms supported are VA Research and Sun. If you want NT for some reason, there's an HP box available. For more details, see: http://www.comstar.net/appHosting.html
On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, dale w lance wrote:
Any comments on Zope and the Intel Linux setup vs the Cobalt setup? I am looking for a Zope/MySQL combinationsetup and would like to know Pros and cons of each of these setups (hardware)
The RaQ3 is a Intel-like setup (AMD K6-2, I think). Earlier models used an embedded MIPS CPU. I have no personal experience with either, but we use a fair number of them (and some older RaQ models). Zope ought to run just fine on it, but I've never tried. I'm doing some Zope development on a VA 500 (dual P-II-350), and we have two of them for mailservers. No complaints. They come with Red Hat. Using my own RPMs for now.
We're phasing out hosting in favor of DASH (Dedicated Application Server Hosting). This is not a price quote: For about $200/mo, you can get a Cobalt RaQ3 that's all yours, hosted in our colo facility. Other Linux/UNIX platforms supported are VA Research and Sun. If you want NT for some reason, there's an HP box available. For more details, see:
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Hello,
Any comments on Zope and the Intel Linux setup vs the Cobalt setup? I am looking for a Zope/MySQL combinationsetup and would like to know Pros and cons of each of these setups (hardware)
I have a sprinkling of Pystones for everything from the original Qube to a P3-700: http://weblogs.userland.com/qube/stories/storyReader$289 If you're doing any Zope work, you might consider as a minimum a RaQ3. Even then I would think twice. There's a massive performance boost with the P3-600 and P3-700. I don't have any results for a RaQ3, but based on the CPU, it's not at all an ideal Zope environment. If you want a fast, cheap, Zope box look at the G3-450s. Even an iMac. Or a Celeron. But not the Cobalt lineup. Luke
At 19:06 Uhr -0500 29.03.2000, Luke Tymowski wrote:
If you want a fast, cheap, Zope box look at the G3-450s. Even an iMac. Or a Celeron. But not the Cobalt lineup.
Really? What would you put on the Macs? Linux, OS X or MacOS? What makes the Celeron superior to the Cobalt-setup in your opinion? I thought the Cobalts where rahter high-speed (full) pentiums and that the Celeron is not well suited for server use?? Jochen
Hello,
Really? What would you put on the Macs? Linux, OS X or MacOS?
Zope won't run on MacOS. It would have to be either Linux or OSX or BSD.
What makes the Celeron superior to the Cobalt-setup in your opinion? I thought the Cobalts where rahter high-speed (full) pentiums and that the Celeron is not well suited for server use??
It runs Python faster than a PIII of the same speed. I'm assuming that's because the cache, while half the size of a standard PIII, runs at full CPU speed. That it supports only a 66MHz bus and memory may cause it to not perform as well under load. I don't know. I don't have the resources to test that sort of thing properly. There's more to a building a server than its Pystone rating, but it's a start when you start looking at putting together a box. Luke
Also, take a look at: www.step-thermodynamics.com Their primary business is selling specialized cooling systems for processors, which they bond to the processor. As a result they only sell their cooling system with a processor. They provide a lifetime guarantee on what they sell, and they also guarantee that a processor will run at a specific MHz (which in the case of a Celeron 333a processor is 500 MHz if I remember correctly). That particular configuration uses a 100 MHz front side bus speed. A friend of mine has got a couple of dual processor boxes with Abit BP6 motherboards (socket Celeron motherboards) with two Celerons each running at 500 MHz. For any task that requires fast cache, but not a lot it, they are great systems. Jeff On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Luke Tymowski wrote:
Hello,
Really? What would you put on the Macs? Linux, OS X or MacOS?
Zope won't run on MacOS. It would have to be either Linux or OSX or BSD.
What makes the Celeron superior to the Cobalt-setup in your opinion? I thought the Cobalts where rahter high-speed (full) pentiums and that the Celeron is not well suited for server use??
It runs Python faster than a PIII of the same speed. I'm assuming that's because the cache, while half the size of a standard PIII, runs at full CPU speed. That it supports only a 66MHz bus and memory may cause it to not perform as well under load. I don't know. I don't have the resources to test that sort of thing properly.
There's more to a building a server than its Pystone rating, but it's a start when you start looking at putting together a box.
Luke
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At 12:22 pm +0200 30/3/00, Jochen Haeberle wrote:
At 19:06 Uhr -0500 29.03.2000, Luke Tymowski wrote:
If you want a fast, cheap, Zope box look at the G3-450s. Even an iMac. Or a Celeron. But not the Cobalt lineup.
Really? What would you put on the Macs? Linux, OS X or MacOS?
Now - LinuxPPC (my Mac at home that gets 900 pystones is usable for me to do dev work on). Later - choose from OS-X or LinuxPPC You can't (easily) use MacOS because Zope has some unix-centric parts that don't translate well to the Mac.
What makes the Celeron superior to the Cobalt-setup in your opinion?
The Pystone scores are higher Celeron-400a Pystone(1.1) time for 10000 passes = 1.78 This machine benchmarks at 5588.87 pystones/second vs Qube2 Pystone(1.1) time for 10000 passes = 8.81 This machine benchmarks at 1135.07 pystones/second
I thought the Cobalts where rahter high-speed (full) pentiums and that the Celeron is not well suited for server use??
Sorry, not qualified to answer that bit. All I do know is that we have a 700MHz PIII here that gets 10,500 Pystones against our Enterprise 450 with ... 2700. As the maintenance on the Sun kit is roughly the same price as the PIII, you could say I'm not overly impressed with the Sun... Tone ------ Dr Tony McDonald, FMCC, Networked Learning Environments Project http://nle.ncl.ac.uk/ The Medical School, Newcastle University Tel: +44 191 222 5888 Fingerprint: 3450 876D FA41 B926 D3DD F8C3 F2D0 C3B9 8B38 18A2
Here's a silly thing that's always niggled me : How do you get Zope to render the DTML that is stored in properties of a ZClass ? eg. Consider you have a ZClass with a string property called 'my_property' In an instance of this ZClass, you set the value of 'my_property' to "Hello <dtml-var x>" where x might be a string, integer, image etc Now, if a DTML method were to call <dtml-var my_property>, it would display "Hello <dtml-var x>" How can we get the DTML to be executed too, so that it displays "Hello [value of x]". Is there any easy method other than splitting this up into different fields ? Apologies if this is such a trivial thing. It's escaped me for ages. chas
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