Without starting any arguments, I would like to find out what sort of distributions are popular for deploying zope servers. I would like to use a common distribution like Redhat, but getting binary packages for common DA's is painfully obtuse. I have used the windows packages with the binary ODBC DA an the install went great, the downside is, well, windows. I won't deploy a production server with compilers on it. Some thing like Gentoo with it's build-from-source design and ability to do package management would be great, But zope isn't well supported- I would still have to assemble packages myself or build various binary parts by hand. What is the most common deployment in zope production systems?
Howdy, jwsacksteder@ramprecision.com wrote:
Without starting any arguments, I would like to find out what sort of distributions are popular for deploying zope servers.
I use FreeBSD. I have used Debian GNU/Linux and Redhat. All of these support Zope and all have ports/packages/rpms of Zope and many of the Products for Zope. HTH, Jake -- Jake Berglund <jwb@imeme.net> Online Community Building Professional: http://imeme.net - Web Hosting; Zope, PHP Personal: http://metasyntactic.com - Music, Mayhem, Foo
The only system I wouldn't really recommend is Mac OS 10.1. The compiler support is pretty thin and there's no Python 2.1.3 binary... from what I've heard, this is better in 10.2. Other than that, the first thing I'd recommend for a production system is to roll your own software across the board. Zope is almost trivial to build from source and if you're even considering working in Gentoo, building Zope should be a breeze. Here's an excellent howto on installing Zope that's well worth a read: http://www.zope.org/Members/mcdonc/HowTos/zopeinstall/ZOPE-INSTALL-HOWTO/ind... HTH Dylan At 11:02 PM 3/7/2003, jwsacksteder@ramprecision.com wrote:
Without starting any arguments, I would like to find out what sort of distributions are popular for deploying zope servers. I would like to use a common distribution like Redhat, but getting binary packages for common DA's is painfully obtuse. I have used the windows packages with the binary ODBC DA an the install went great, the downside is, well, windows. I won't deploy a production server with compilers on it. Some thing like Gentoo with it's build-from-source design and ability to do package management would be great, But zope isn't well supported- I would still have to assemble packages myself or build various binary parts by hand.
What is the most common deployment in zope production systems?
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The only system I wouldn't really recommend is Mac OS 10.1. The compiler support is pretty thin and there's no Python 2.1.3 binary... from what I've heard, this is better in 10.2.
i'm not sure what you mean by "compiler support". OS X 10.0, 10.1 and 10.2 all have complete developer packages you can install with compilers etc. there really isn't much of a difference. as far as python binaries go, if i set up a production-level machine i would never use built-in binaries, anyway. you also point out that you would roll all software yourself, so whether the OS has a python binary or not does not matter. neither of use would use it. i fully agree with all other recommendations you made. for our larger installs we have "standardized" on RedHat 7.3 as the base operating system. jens
At 03:13 PM 3/8/2003, Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
The only system I wouldn't really recommend is Mac OS 10.1. The compiler support is pretty thin and there's no Python 2.1.3 binary... from what I've heard, this is better in 10.2.
i'm not sure what you mean by "compiler support". OS X 10.0, 10.1 and 10.2 all have complete developer packages you can install with compilers etc. there really isn't much of a difference.
10.2 ships with gcc 3.x and its related support files. 10.1 and 10.0 use gcc 2.95... which was (a gcc guru once told me) less than adequately provided with working support files. I'm not a gcc guru myself, so I can't claim any greater understanding than that. As I understand it, that's a main reason why the hasty migration to Jaguar was necessary and why a point-one version change in the OS renders binaries incompatible between versions. It also appears to explain why stuff like Safari doesn't get back-ported to 10.1. In 10.1, you have to compile Python using a process far more obscure than the standard configure/make dance before you can get around to setting up Zope. That's a hassle I've not encountered on other unix-ish platforms. But I know you have more than a passing familiarity with this issue... your howto on compiling Python for 10.1 was a life-saver one Saturday afternoon. Thanks for that, BTW. :-) Dylan
At 11:02 PM 3/7/2003, jwsacksteder@ramprecision.com wrote:
Some thing like Gentoo with it's build-from-source design and ability to do package management would be great, But zope isn't well supported- I would still have to assemble packages myself or build various binary parts by hand.
Now that I've gone one record as saying you should roll your own, I happened to notice that there *is* a Zope package for Gentoo: http://cvs.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gentoo-x86/net-zope/zope/ HTH, Dylan
also sprach jwsacksteder@ramprecision.com <jwsacksteder@ramprecision.com> [2003.03.08.0802 +0100]:
What is the most common deployment in zope production systems?
I use Debian GNU/Linux just because it is, in my experience, the most hassle-free. You just install packages and it works. And you can upgrade ad libitum. No RPM dependency hell, no need to compile anything, it's rock solid and well tested. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net@madduck note: the pgp.net keyservers and their mirrors are broken! get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc this space intentionally left blank.
Some admins swear by binary packages. Some admins swear by source. Some admins swear by debian. Some admins swear by RedHat. Other swear at Linux and swear by *BSD. Some, or so it's rumored, swear by various M$ products. For zope I tend to install from source, including any additional products/python modules I need. That doesn't mean it's right, but it's been the easiest to support. I'd say the most common platform that zope is deployed on is linux, but that's just speculation. On Sat, 2003-03-08 at 01:02, jwsacksteder@ramprecision.com wrote:
Without starting any arguments, I would like to find out what sort of distributions are popular for deploying zope servers. I would like to use a common distribution like Redhat, but getting binary packages for common DA's is painfully obtuse. I have used the windows packages with the binary ODBC DA an the install went great, the downside is, well, windows. I won't deploy a production server with compilers on it. Some thing like Gentoo with it's build-from-source design and ability to do package management would be great, But zope isn't well supported- I would still have to assemble packages myself or build various binary parts by hand.
What is the most common deployment in zope production systems?
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