Why the hell hasn't Page Templates taken over the world?
I found the question posed on the subject line whilst searching for information about ZPT's on a website called ZopeZen which appears now to have expired - I only found the reference in Google's cache. The question was posed about a year ago and seemed to be correctly answered by this post:- documentation maybe? Posted by nan at 2004-08-06 03:08 PM tal / metal / tales has a steep learning curve and the documentation is not that good at all ( I think on a printout it is 4 - 6 pages) E.g. the tal:on-error (which is extremly usefull) gets only one tiny paragraph. I think if it had a more comprehensive documentation (with LOTs of examples) it would not scare of new users that much as it does right now. It seems that I'm not the only one who woul like to see more examples of ZPTs. Is there a repository for examples of what you can do with ZPT's to make a web page look nicely set out? -- John
--On 24. Juni 2005 10:56:12 +0100 John Poltorak <jp@warpix.org> wrote:
It seems that I'm not the only one who woul like to see more examples of ZPTs. Is there a repository for examples of what you can do with ZPT's to make a web page look nicely set out?
What has ZPT to do with "make a web page look nicely"? ZPT produces HTML. The produces the HTML that is coming from your programming. If your ZPTs produce trash HTML then the pages will be rendered as trash. So it is up to you to produce correct HTML that looks somehow. But the implication that ZPT is responsible because your site look trashy is just stupid. Fix your HTMl, learn about web design, learn to use CSS but please stop your crying about things that are just not true or about technologies that you obviously don't understand. Maybe you should use some other framework that it is easier for you. -aj
On 6/24/05, Andreas Jung <lists@andreas-jung.com> wrote:
--On 24. Juni 2005 10:56:12 +0100 John Poltorak <jp@warpix.org> wrote:
It seems that I'm not the only one who woul like to see more examples of ZPTs. Is there a repository for examples of what you can do with ZPT's to make a web page look nicely set out?
What has ZPT to do with "make a web page look nicely"? ZPT produces HTML. The produces the HTML that is coming from your programming. If your ZPTs produce trash HTML then the pages will be rendered as trash. So it is up to you to produce correct HTML that looks somehow. But the implication that ZPT is responsible because your site look trashy is just stupid. Fix your HTMl, learn about web design, learn to use CSS but please stop your crying about things that are just not true or about technologies that you obviously don't understand. Maybe you should use some other framework that it is easier for you.
Whoah. All he did is say that he thinks the documentation is unsatisfactory... I don't agree, especially, but John: You can always expand and put up examples on zopewiki.org. http://zopewiki.org/PageTemplates -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/
--On 24. Juni 2005 12:15:04 +0200 Lennart Regebro <regebro@gmail.com> wrote:
Whoah. All he did is say that he thinks the documentation is unsatisfactory...
I don't agree, especially, but John: You can always expand and put up examples on zopewiki.org.
I don't read it this way. He says: how can I improve the look&feel with ZPT. -aj
On 6/24/05, Andreas Jung <lists@andreas-jung.com> wrote:
I don't read it this way. He says: how can I improve the look&feel with ZPT.
He said "Is there a repository for examples of what you can do with ZPT's to make a web page look nicely set out?", which can be interpreted in several ways, including yours, but also in other ways. "Look" and "nicely" can refer to code, for example. -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/
On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 12:09:32PM +0200, Andreas Jung wrote:
--On 24. Juni 2005 10:56:12 +0100 John Poltorak <jp@warpix.org> wrote:
It seems that I'm not the only one who woul like to see more examples of ZPTs. Is there a repository for examples of what you can do with ZPT's to make a web page look nicely set out?
What has ZPT to do with "make a web page look nicely"? ZPT produces HTML. The produces the HTML that is coming from your programming. If your ZPTs produce trash HTML then the pages will be rendered as trash. So it is up to you to produce correct HTML that looks somehow. But the implication that ZPT is responsible because your site look trashy is just stupid. Fix your HTMl, learn about web design, learn to use CSS but please stop your crying about things that are just not true or about technologies that you obviously don't understand. Maybe you should use some other framework that it is easier for you.
Yes, maybe I should. Any suggestions?
-aj
-- John
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