also sprach Michael Havard <nhavar@hotmail.com> [2003.03.17.2205 +0100]:

Sorry but what a complete crock of elitist crap. Javascript, just like any other client side code, has it's uses (and abuses).

give me a standard on javascript that works on most common browsers and you win. in the mean time, i might think about javascript for little sparkles and addons that appear to be needed these days, since information has been replaced by eyecandy throughout the web. those were the days...

Yes there are alot of script kiddies and even professional designers out there that use the propritary extensions (both MS's and Netscapes) and cause sites to be inaccessible to certain users. I think instead of bashing the language we should advocate better use. Let's keep blanket statements like "XXXXX is evil" out of the groups and focus on helping developer create better more accessible content using ALL of the tools at their disposal.

okay, i'll shut up and listen. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net@madduck keyserver problems? http://keyserver.kjsl.com/~jharris/keyserver.html get my key here: http://madduck.net/me/gpg/publickey a c programmer asked whether computers have buddha's nature. as the answer, the master did "rm -rf" on the programmer's home directory. and then the c programmer became enlightened...