An idea for new.zope.org: encourage people not to abandon popular projects. Even very useful and well know Zope products get abandoned. Consider LoginManager. Both SourceForge and Freshmeat introduced rating according to "activity", which is probably the frequency of releases. This may not work 100% (some people may prefer to download software with lower frequency of releases as it may be deemed more stable) but it's a start. A more drastical approach would be tagging products that have not had a release in six months as "abandoned" in red typeface. Such products would stand out in a list of products, perhaps forcing the author to come out and say whether the product is doscontinued, but it would definitely make users better informed about the product status. Another approach would be to mark products "may be abandoned" if no release was published in six months, and "abandoned" if no release in 12 months. Just my idea. Propose something softer or harder, but IMHO some solution should be implemented. -- Milos Prudek
That would be very useful for us product developers, to know what people are really using! Even a download counter, rating system, etc.... on 4/30/02 2:45 AM, Milos Prudek at milos.prudek@tiscali.cz scrivened:
An idea for new.zope.org: encourage people not to abandon popular projects.
Even very useful and well know Zope products get abandoned. Consider LoginManager.
Both SourceForge and Freshmeat introduced rating according to "activity", which is probably the frequency of releases.
This may not work 100% (some people may prefer to download software with lower frequency of releases as it may be deemed more stable) but it's a start.
A more drastical approach would be tagging products that have not had a release in six months as "abandoned" in red typeface. Such products would stand out in a list of products, perhaps forcing the author to come out and say whether the product is doscontinued, but it would definitely make users better informed about the product status. Another approach would be to mark products "may be abandoned" if no release was published in six months, and "abandoned" if no release in 12 months.
Just my idea. Propose something softer or harder, but IMHO some solution should be implemented.
Aloha, I agree with the desire for some flagging of products as to their state of being. Thus far, trying to find out which products are current, which are 'retired', which are still 'owned' or maintained by someone (and whom), which have been (sometimes long ago) superceded/replaced by something else, etc. is a pain in the mouse. John S. --- Marc Lindahl <marc@bowery.com> wrote:
That would be very useful for us product developers, to know what people are really using! Even a download counter, rating system, etc....
on 4/30/02 2:45 AM, Milos Prudek at milos.prudek@tiscali.cz scrivened:
An idea for new.zope.org: encourage people not to abandon popular projects.
Even very useful and well know Zope products get abandoned. Consider LoginManager.
Both SourceForge and Freshmeat introduced rating according to "activity", which is probably the frequency of releases.
This may not work 100% (some people may prefer to download software with lower frequency of releases as it may be deemed more stable) but it's a start.
A more drastical approach would be tagging products that have not had a release in six months as "abandoned" in red typeface. Such products would stand out in a list of products, perhaps forcing the author to come out and say whether the product is doscontinued, but it would definitely make users better informed about the product status. Another approach would be to mark products "may be abandoned" if no release was published in six months, and "abandoned" if no release in 12 months.
Just my idea. Propose something softer or harder, but IMHO some solution should be implemented.
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Milos Prudek writes:
An idea for new.zope.org: encourage people not to abandon popular projects. ... Another approach would be to mark products "may be abandoned" if no release was published in six months, and "abandoned" if no release in 12 months. Good products do not need to be released on a regular base, only when something happens that breaks them...
Just my idea. As you see above, I do not like your idea.
Propose something softer or harder, but IMHO some solution should be implemented. Make the products discussable and ratable. Send email to the author when new comments arrive (batch the comments, of course).
Dieter
I agree! I have been using eTailer which was clearly abandoned, but it has survived 4 upgrades. I'm currently using Zope 2.5.1 and eTailer is still plugging away. I don't know if eTailer would be considered a "good" product, but it does what I need so its good for me :-). Not sure what happened to the authors (I think they moved away from "free" and are trying to make money with a spiced up eTailer). I wish they were still working on it because eTailer was the only commerce product worth using. I also think the following should be implemented...
Make the products discussible and ratable. Send email to the author when new comments arrive (batch the comments, of course).
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From: Dieter Maurer <dieter@handshake.de> Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:45:30 +0200 To: Milos Prudek <milos.prudek@tiscali.cz> Cc: zope@zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] abandonware and new.zope.org
Milos Prudek writes:
An idea for new.zope.org: encourage people not to abandon popular projects. ... Another approach would be to mark products "may be abandoned" if no release was published in six months, and "abandoned" if no release in 12 months. Good products do not need to be released on a regular base, only when something happens that breaks them...
Just my idea. As you see above, I do not like your idea.
Propose something softer or harder, but IMHO some solution should be implemented. Make the products discussable and ratable. Send email to the author when new comments arrive (batch the comments, of course).
Dieter
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I agree!
I have been using eTailer which was clearly abandoned, but it has survived 4 upgrades. I'm currently using Zope 2.5.1 and eTailer is still plugging away. I don't know if eTailer would be considered a "good" product, but it does what I need so its good for me :-).
Not sure what happened to the authors (I think they moved away from "free" and are trying to make money with a spiced up eTailer). I wish they were still working on it because eTailer was the only commerce product worth using.
I also think the following should be implemented...
Make the products discussible and ratable. Send email to the author when new comments arrive (batch the comments, of course).
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