Re: [Zope] Zope hosting
Marco Mariani <m.mariani@imola.nettuno.it> wrote:
Hallo! I'm thinking about using zope to develop some sites.
May you please advise me about a Zope hoster? I've looked at those listed on zope.org, but some of them offer just 20MB or have most of the site written in german. One of them I can't even reach, others don't mention zope on their pages, or are a bit on the pricey side.
I need a flexible, expandable solution. I may need 40MB and two domains for a start, and more in the future. I have to install my products and use pgsql or mysql.
I am happily using CodeIt. They offer several options above "basic" Zope hosting: * Install your own products (this is their "professional" option). * Add disk space cheaply (they quoted me $0.50/month for each added 10 Mb). * Add domains, mapping them to separate Zope folders, for $10/mo each.
Shell access is welcome, too..
They don't offer shell access -- I FTP products, export files, etc., into a "home directory" with a slightly oddball layout.
Do you have some suggestion? Which ISPs do you think are best?
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Do you think I'd better install zope as a normal user, on one of those cheap ISPs that give me 500MB ?
Zope wants to be a long-running process, with significant CPU and RAM requirements; most ISPs don't appreciate you running such a beast, so ask first. Tres. -- ========================================================= Tres Seaver tseaver@palladion.com 713-523-6582 Palladion Software http://www.palladion.com
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 08:59:51AM -0600, Tres Seaver wrote:
I am happily using CodeIt. They offer several options above "basic" Zope hosting:
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They don't offer shell access -- I FTP products, export files, etc., into a "home directory" with a slightly oddball layout.
I guess if I ever need to use PHP within my site, I cannot do it with them, do I? thanks
Marco Mariani wrote:
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 08:59:51AM -0600, Tres Seaver wrote:
I am happily using CodeIt. They offer several options above "basic" Zope hosting:
[...]
They don't offer shell access -- I FTP products, export files, etc., into a "home directory" with a slightly oddball layout.
I guess if I ever need to use PHP within my site, I cannot do it with them, do I?
They do not offer "normal" PHP as an option -- you could ask them if they would quote it as a "custom" add-on. With enough work, it might be possible to call PHP through a Zope product; I don't know enough about what support PHP requires from the OS and environment to know if this is feasible. Of course, I also can't think of any reason to use PHP, but that is another issue altogether. :) Tres. -- ========================================================= Tres Seaver tseaver@digicool.com tseaver@palladion.com
On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 12:19:19PM -0600, Tres Seaver wrote:
They do not offer "normal" PHP as an option
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Of course, I also can't think of any reason to use PHP, but that is another issue altogether. :)
I can think of one: I wrote my first program in php in some minutes, while my first zope silliness took me days. - BUT - now I'm in this mailing list so I can flood you with questions. Please keep in mind that I'm a total newbie, at the moment I know little more than Nicholas Petreley about Zope. I'm fluent with python and slow but steady with html. My first site is for an antique trader (my father): four languages, lots of photos with descriptions, some search methods, some registered users, a private addressbook. There will be an "uploader" interface for my brother, a public and a "frequent customers" interface. I don't think the Photo product is stable enough for use, so I'll try and write something by myself. If I use a "pure" zope provider, do I need to keep the photos on the ZODB? Is it possible to write to the file system via an external python method, so that I can: * receive a photo with netscape * give it an unique filename * write it to the file * update the info (filename, descriptions) on a SQL table and then * reference (from DTML) or delete (from python) the photo by the filename stored on the SQL table ? The trouble with Zope is not that it isn't documented, but the documentation at first makes me fell stupid. I don't know why. It is like loving a girl you didn't have the chance to talk to. It makes me feel stupid. Maybe the fact that I need a 21" to look at my source, and I have to look at the source of the page returned by the browser to see the stack trace with my error (when there is a stack trace), has something to do with the stress I am having during my learning sessions. Will zopezilla (or mozzope)? enhance my Zope Experience? Thank you for reading this far.
Marco Mariani wrote:
The trouble with Zope is not that it isn't documented, but the documentation at first makes me fell stupid. I don't know why.
It is like loving a girl you didn't have the chance to talk to. It makes me feel stupid.
Yeah I'm right there with ya sometimes Marco...
Maybe the fact that I need a 21" to look at my source, and I have to look at the source of the page returned by the browser to see the stack trace with my error (when there is a stack trace), has something to do with the stress I am having during my learning sessions.
If you run Zope in debug mode, then the stacktrace is not commented out.
Will zopezilla (or mozzope)? enhance my Zope Experience?
If you help contribute to it, then you can have a direct influence in enhancing your experience. -Michel
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