Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope] Barriers to Zope popularity
From my experience of trying to intrest co-workers in Zope there were 2 problems.
1. Python - they don't know python, but might be willing to learn if it wasn't for 2... 2. ISP/Web Hosting companies don't sopport Pyhton as a cgi enviroment or Zope. Very few, from my experience, want to switch ISP/Web Hosting for something they have not tried in a new language. Don't take these comments to mean that I don't like Zope I love it but can't justify going with an untrusted ISP/Web Host. I don't know the solution to this one. Any help would be appreciated. Maybe what effect adding Zope, along with Apache, would have for the ISP/Web Host. Technicaly do they have anything to worry about or is they general lack of python experience the only factor. Any ideas??? ===== ------------------------------------ Brian M Lauer <mailto:fozbaca@yahoo.com> <http://w3.one.net/~fozbaca/> <ftp://ftp.one.net/pub/users/fozbaca/> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
Brian Lauer wrote:
From my experience of trying to intrest co-workers in Zope there were 2 problems.
1. Python - they don't know python, but might be willing to learn if it wasn't for 2...
Not really necessary, but helpful, and quite valuable in its own right...
2. ISP/Web Hosting companies don't sopport Pyhton as a cgi enviroment or Zope.
By 'support', do you mean 'provide tech support for' or 'have installed'? If the former, this shouldn't be too big of a deal once you're installed and working, and the zope-list is here for you :-) If the latter, check Zope.org's downloads for nice complete binary distributions of Zope complete with built-in Python. If you can do CGI on your ISP, you can do PCGI with Zope.
-----Original Message----- From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Brian Lauer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 12:11 To: zope@zope.org; zope-dev@zope.org Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope] Barriers to Zope popularity
From my experience of trying to intrest co-workers in Zope there were 2 problems.
1. Python - they don't know python, but might be willing to learn if it wasn't for 2...
2. ISP/Web Hosting companies don't sopport Pyhton as a cgi enviroment or Zope.
Very few, from my experience, want to switch ISP/Web Hosting for something they have not tried in a new language. Don't take these comments to mean that I don't like Zope I love it but can't justify going with an untrusted ISP/Web Host. I don't know the solution to this one. Any help would be appreciated. Maybe what effect adding Zope, along with Apache, would have for the ISP/Web Host. Technicaly do they have anything to worry about or is they general lack of python experience the only factor. Any ideas???
When I got a new job and wanted to convert the new company's website to Zope, I ran into the same ISP resistance. It wasn't that they wouldn't in principal help with the Zope installation, it's that they wouldn't do it for just one user. They did help with the Apache rewrite rule. They did permit me to compile Python and Zope in my account, but they wouldn't do it for me. In the end the difficulty doing sysadmin work (which I don't know much about) on an FTP-only account for a foreign OS convinced me that it wasn't worth the effort. So I moved the web site to a Zope ISP (http://www.codeit.com). I agonized about moving the site for about a week. CodeIt is not even nearby. But in the end, the move was easy, CodeIt has supported me well enough, and there isn't much difference operating a remote site compared to a nearby one. I should have moved the site sooner. Still, I think it's a good idea to try to convince the ISP, so that the next time someone talks to them about Zope, they will realize that now they have two potential Zope users. The original ISP cooperated with a smooth DNS change, so they know we've gone and they know why.
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