Netscape Problems
Hi, I'm getting a bit suspicious about the number of times Netscape and Zope aren't playing together for me :-S Basically, on my desktop machine (WinNT 4, Netscape 4.74) I can't actually submit to any Zope sites. I click a form button but the browser just sits there with the N spinning and not doing anything. I thought that was just my machine, but now on this laptop (Win2000, Netscape 4.74) the same thing is happening. I'm also getting the problem wit hthe browser constantly redirecting in a very short loop. IIRC, this is 'cos it's trying to get a linked stylesheet where Netscape has a bug, so I disabled sylesheets in my management options, but I still get exactly the same problem :-( Has anyone else experienced any of the above and does anyone have any solutions? cheers, Chris
[Chris Withers]
I'm getting a bit suspicious about the number of times Netscape and Zope aren't playing together for me :-S
Basically, on my desktop machine (WinNT 4, Netscape 4.74) I can't actually submit to any Zope sites. I click a form button but the browser just sits there with the N spinning and not doing anything.
I thought that was just my machine, but now on this laptop (Win2000, Netscape 4.74) the same thing is happening. I'm also getting the problem wit hthe browser constantly redirecting in a very short loop. IIRC, this is 'cos it's trying to get a linked stylesheet where Netscape has a bug, so I disabled sylesheets in my management options, but I still get exactly the same problem :-(
Has anyone else experienced any of the above and does anyone have any solutions?
Yes, I had similar problems. It happened when I reloaded a frame or secondary window (i.e., one opened by javascript from within a first browser window). I found that focusing the stuck window - that is, clicking on its frame - would immediately fix the problem for that particular case. As I remember it was reloaded by being the target of a POST - which may tie in with your experience. I forget how I finally solved this problem, but it was probably by sending a window.focus() command to the offending window after having it load its new url. Worth trying, anyway. It does seem to me that it somehow relates to Zope, though, since similar code using other systems works ok (I think, my memory is a bit hazy on it). The problem wasn't limited to Win2000, though - I saw it on Win95, too. This was NS 4.73. Keep us informed how you work around this problem, would you? Tom P
Hi! I am quite sure that all these problems are client-side or non-Zope-specific HTML issues, just because I can't imagine how Zope should "know" about the Netscape browser. If there was a really bad protocol flaw, it should have been detected months ago. The problems you describe seem to be very different from each other: I know about the tables issue. This is a well-known Netscape problem. It just has a very bad table geometry engine. As soon as it gets too many nested tables, it freezes almost. The stylesheet problems are also well-known. If Netscape can't find the specified stylesheet, it loops. I never saw the other cases on Netscape for Linux. They might therefore be a platform-specific problem I don't know of. Let's face it: Netscape 4.x is a lousy browser compared with almost anything else on the market. It is the only browser in our test suite that can not display style sheets with Javasrcipt disabled. And even if it displays styles, it is not standards-compliant with that ... Joachim
I am quite sure that all these problems are client-side or non-Zope-specific HTML issues, just because I can't imagine how Zope should "know" about the Netscape browser.
Generally I'd agree, which is why I'm only asking. There was a similar issue with modified headers and images with Netscape a while back where Zope wasn't doing the same thing as Apache. That eventually got changed (no more broken images in Netscape ;-) and I'm just checking out this isn't another one of those ;-)
I know about the tables issue. This is a well-known Netscape problem. It just has a very bad table geometry engine. As soon as it gets too many nested tables, it freezes almost.
Yup, although my personal view is that if you're using that many tables, you deserve what you get ;-)
The stylesheet problems are also well-known. If Netscape can't find the specified stylesheet, it loops.
This is irritating but can be worked around by inlining the stylesheet like the CMF does...
I never saw the other cases on Netscape for Linux. They might therefore be a platform-specific problem I don't know of.
Maybe, I'm just trying to collect data :-)
Let's face it: Netscape 4.x is a lousy browser compared with almost anything else on the market. It is the only browser in our test suite that can not display style sheets with Javasrcipt disabled. And even if it displays styles, it is not standards-compliant with that ...
So do I say to our clients: All your users must have IE installed because Zope doesn't like Netscape. Oh, and make sure you don't have these versions of IE because Zope doesn't like them either... ;-) Browsers are buggy, all software is, it's just treading that fine line between saying 'your broswer is crap, it's not our problem' and 'your browser has issues, but we've managed to deal with them'. I know which one of those messages I'd prefer to give to customers... cheers, Chris
Joachim
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